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Vax status required by 10/8.

 

I suspect requirement to either get vaxxed or get fired sometime after that.

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I was just told by a union rep this morning that is for salary only at the moment 

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Terms of employment is a negotiated and agreed on requirements to maintain  a union represented employee`s active employee status. 

 

To put any change in the terms and/or requirements to be employed by Ford would have to be a negotiated arrangement put to a vote by the dues paying members of the union. 

 

This is why certain government employee`s were not apart of certain mandates. "Voluntary" will be used as verbiage till some form of an agreement is scared into place.

 

Salaried employee`s are doomed. (unless their choice is, jabbed) Except those represented by a union.  

 

Then again that`s old school thinking about contracts and agreements. That thinking may well be a thing of the past. 

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2 hours ago, Decker said:

Terms of employment is a negotiated and agreed on requirements to maintain  a union represented employee`s active employee status. 

 

To put any change in the terms and/or requirements to be employed by Ford would have to be a negotiated arrangement put to a vote by the dues paying members of the union. 

 

Then again that`s old school thinking about contracts and agreements. That thinking may well be a thing of the past. 

And of course, we have never seen a union election where the vote was considered questionable. 

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On further reflection, does anyone have an understanding of "Force Majeure" provisions in the contract? As Biden administration directs OSHA to do emergency rulemaking, companies, including Ford will claim requirement by law. Now, making someone submit to the jab may be beyond their control. However, cost of weekly testing required, may not be so simple. Still trying to picture the "cluster" in medical as they try to organize the data and grant entry to tested employees.

     A neighbor of mine works for a "large" insurance company in an office setting. In such an operation, serious injury might be a paper cut. Therefore their medical section, consists of little on site. They of course have worked remotely since March 2020. Expected to return to offices October 1. Since the announcement of large employer COVID testing, that has changed to  "to be determined" status. 

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This illegal mandate ( NOT LAW ) will be stuck down by the courts as soon as they try to implement it. Its called the 14th Amendment of the United States constitution. Equal protection clause. All rules, mandates, laws MUST be equal to every citizen of the United States. By making companies with more then 100 people force the vaccination they are in violation of the Equal protection clause. Look at it this way.....If you tell Jewish people they are MANDATED to get the vaccination,  but other religions do NOT have to be vaccinated, that would be against the law.  It is not being enforced equally between ALL religions. I really dont see how they can discriminate against people based on where they work.

 

Also by trying to use OSHA they have to prove an IMMINENT threat to life to be able to use a workplace mandate. Since we are NO LONGER in a pandemic and have treatments and medications to treat the China Flu, I don't see how they can say we are in imminent danger.

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On 9/30/2021 at 10:26 PM, paintguy said:

And of course, we have never seen a union election where the vote was considered questionable. 

 

Trust me Paintguy. There are enough sheeple in the UAW that will vote for what ever the union tells them to vote. They are to lazy to do any research. If the vaccine works so well then why are the VACCINATED so afraid of the people who choose not to be sheep ?

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We also have the protection of the 5th amendment Due process clause.

 

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law.

Due process has also been frequently interpreted as limiting laws and legal proceedings (see substantive due process) so that judges, instead of legislators, may define and guarantee fundamental fairness, justice, and liberty. That interpretation has proven controversial. Analogous to the concepts of natural justice, and procedural justice used in various other jurisdictions, the interpretation of due process is sometimes expressed as a command that the government must not be unfair to the people or abuse them physically. The term is not used in contemporary English law, but two similar concepts are natural justice, which generally applies only to decisions of administrative agencies and some types of private bodies like trade unions.

Isn't  forcing someone to take a vaccine without knowing the LONG TERM Effects possible physical abuse? Remember.....Every drug RECALLED by the FDA was once APPROVED by the FDA.

 

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If Ford is dumb enough to force people to take the covid jab they will be firing a lot of employees and good luck in court with the class action.

Everyone is an adult and responsible for yourself. Want the jab then get as many as you want. Want to wear masks or PPE then go for it !

 

Thus far its proven the vaccine does not prevent a person from getting covid , transmitting covid or death from covid.

On average it takes about a decade for a vaccine to pass trials , unlike the covid vaccine with zero liability to the companies that made it.

 

Forcing your employees to take it is insane.

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Sterling, courts are so far upholding mandatory vax.

 

Cal50, decisions have consequences.  My decision to not get the vax, and my reasons are very sound, may get me fired.  I just read about one large company that has so far said they will not implement mandatory jab.  I suspect the full weight and force of DOJ may come down on them.  Like I said, decisions have consequences.  Ford may decide to fire employees refusing jabs, and they will have to deal with the consequences of that decision.  I'm not going to attempt to believe Ford won't continue without me, and to the corporation, it won't even be a grain of sand on the beach, but small scale, dept or even division will feel it.  I also know of other associates that will be making the exact same decision, and it could have at least a short term impact.  Me personally, I have a long list of awards from management, including a VP.  Actually was at one event and had my photo taken with Mulally.

 

My wife has immune issues, and several Drs have advised her to make sure she doesn't get jabbed, and even expressed concern with shedding if I got it.  Me personally, have my own health issues that could be long term impacted by getting jabbed.  There have been reports starting to develop of why MDs are seeing a sudden increase in cancer cases.  One doc did a study on his patients (healthy) immune system, before 1st jab, after 1st jab, and after 2nd jab.  The immune system literally crashed after the 2nd jab, including killer T cells, which are the ones going after, drum roll please, cancer cells.  I had already knew about micro clotting issue, that impacts capillaries and those issues, but what I didn't understand was the increase in 1st trimester deaths.  They are beginning to understand the miscarriages are coming from clotting in the placenta, basically starving the baby of oxygen and nutrients.

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I know half of our engineering staff is waiting to be let go for NOT getting the jab. About half of skilled trades staff are also waiting to be let go from NOT getting the jab.

 

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Unfortunately, the cat is coming out tha bag, for the socialists, control freaks and just pain nuts. There are things occurring that may just be the complete downfall here in the make believe libbter world (clarity in their libbster perception, soon)

 

Ford and so many other worldwide businesses never come out and say it with clarity or to the point honesty but, there is only one reason to exist and that is profit which is money they control. Ford has painted their self portrait as this loving, caring, and all-inclusive entity for some time now. With the help from other larger than life loving, caring, and all-inclusive entities. Does Ford do good things? For sure. Ford gives money and products to good causes? Without a doubt. Is this the true perception of the Ford company? Of course it is, just ask any book of facers, Twitters and etc…etc. The dogs will tell you perception is everything in business.

 

Pandemic? Yeah ok something is going on. Did the book of faces or twits grab the opportunity to be loving, caring, and all so inclusive to help their “customers”? Of course, they did. Did Ford and all the larger than life companies fall in line to love and care? Most certainly, as long as the perception was going to pay off with, profit.

 

Of course I`m using “Ford” as a generalization because this is a Ford Employee forum, (lord knows I don`t want to piss off the Doc) because you could plug in any number of perception seeker in it`s place and still be right on the money.  

 

Jab or not to Jab… it`s not a question it`s a choice. Ford will follow the dollars no matter what, their perception, equals dollars. Go along with the customers (government committee`s) that buy thousands at a time Rangers to be sent to Afghanistan (and given away) and it`s get the perception you care about the employee`s welfare and make it look like you`re moving towards making the jab a requirement. And… all is good on capital hill and the dollars keepa flowin.

 

Remember, this is all an outward appearance, a good tone on the nightly news and of course all those “LIKES” on book of face. In reality, let Ford shut one money maker down for the lack of the jab and the perception will change and the spin is on.

 

It`s inevitable, someone is going to talk. There`s no need to look for or to think hard on the reason any person step`s forward is coming forward with perception clarity.

Sheepies are as sheepies do, Big Business is as Big Business does, and capital hill is just a perception…the book of faces knows this oh so well. Faces, Twits and its wholly owned subsidiaries will be in damage control… big time if this keeps coming out. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/facebook-whistleblower-reveals-her-identity-claims-company-is-causing-ethnic-violence-around-the-world/ar-AAP8pRa?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz

 

JMOP…. The sheep dogs have been pointing this out for a while now.    

 

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1 hour ago, cal50 said:

I know half of our engineering staff is waiting to be let go for NOT getting the jab. About half of skilled trades staff are also waiting to be let go from NOT getting the jab.

 

I wouldn't expect it to be that high.  I know one co-worker is really struggling, as he's a bit younger and has kids in high school, but adamant he's not going to get jabbed.  When the paycheck is formally threatened, I wouldn't be surprised to see him succumb.

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50 minutes ago, road turtle said:

I wouldn't expect it to be that high.  I know one co-worker is really struggling, as he's a bit younger and has kids in high school, but adamant he's not going to get jabbed.  When the paycheck is formally threatened, I wouldn't be surprised to see him succumb.


I'll go work somewhere else if I have to. There's PLENTY of jobs out there. 

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As a manager some time before Ford, OSHA fines are are a poison to a manager's career. Even if the fine is "only" a few thousand dollars, I've seen demotions and firings. Don't expect Ford managers to risk that. Then Ford corporate and the UAW leadership seem to support the current administration. So unlikely Ford will be a source of a challenge to the rulemaking. So expect Ford to roll this out to salary first, at least to test levels of compliance and recordkeeping. Hope for some other employer to mount a challenge, Hobby Lobby, Chik-fil-A?  

 

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2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:


I'll go work somewhere else if I have to. There's PLENTY of jobs out there. 

For me, I'll end my career.  I don't have to work.  Part of the whole truck and 5th wheel, is part of my long term plans.  This was my plan pre covid, all covid did was pull everything ahead.

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51 minutes ago, road turtle said:

For me, I'll end my career.  I don't have to work.  Part of the whole truck and 5th wheel, is part of my long term plans.  This was my plan pre covid, all covid did was pull everything ahead.


If I were in position to I would do the same thing

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9 hours ago, road turtle said:

Sterling, courts are so far upholding mandatory vax. 

 

Cal50, decisions have consequences.  My decision to not get the vax, and my reasons are very sound, may get me fired.  I just read about one large company that has so far said they will not implement mandatory jab.  I suspect the full weight and force of DOJ may come down on them.  Like I said, decisions have consequences.  Ford may decide to fire employees refusing jabs, and they will have to deal with the consequences of that decision.  I'm not going to attempt to believe Ford won't continue without me, and to the corporation, it won't even be a grain of sand on the beach, but small scale, dept or even division will feel it.  I also know of other associates that will be making the exact same decision, and it could have at least a short term impact.  Me personally, I have a long list of awards from management, including a VP.  Actually was at one event and had my photo taken with Mulally.

 

My wife has immune issues, and several Drs have advised her to make sure she doesn't get jabbed, and even expressed concern with shedding if I got it.  Me personally, have my own health issues that could be long term impacted by getting jabbed.  There have been reports starting to develop of why MDs are seeing a sudden increase in cancer cases.  One doc did a study on his patients (healthy) immune system, before 1st jab, after 1st jab, and after 2nd jab.  The immune system literally crashed after the 2nd jab, including killer T cells, which are the ones going after, drum roll please, cancer cells.  I had already knew about micro clotting issue, that impacts capillaries and those issues, but what I didn't understand was the increase in 1st trimester deaths.  They are beginning to understand the miscarriages are coming from clotting in the placenta, basically starving the baby of oxygen and nutrients.

 

 

You are correct in courts the mandatory vax in businesses when the BUSINESS decides to mandate it. We are talking about a whole different ball game... This is the FEDERAL government telling business how to operate or face a punishment. I am not sure how the courts would feel about the government telling businesses how to operate. We will see what happens.

 

I have 3 years before I can retire. If they force me to get the jab then I will go with the Johnson and Johnson 1 shot. I may try to get a local attorney to draw up paperwork making FORD responsible for any long term side effects. They are forcing me to get the jab so they need to be held responsible. Yeah I know....Good luck getting anyone to sign it.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Sterling Archer said:

 

 

You are correct in courts the mandatory vax in businesses when the BUSINESS decides to mandate it. We are talking about a whole different ball game... This is the FEDERAL government telling business how to operate or face a punishment. I am not sure how the courts would feel about the government telling businesses how to operate. We will see what happens.

 

 

 

 

 

The Federal Government tells Business how to operate in many ways. The Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, OSHA, IRS, FMLA  and many others tell businesses how they may operate. Some of these rules/laws are civil offenses, others are criminal offenses. Whether the OSHA proposed rule falls into what is allowed in OSHA authorizing legislation is not clear. A strict constructionist judge may not agree, as would a libertarian. A liberal judge may "push the envelope" to expand government involvement in employee "health". Hope whoever chooses to bring suit on this chooses their venue wisely.

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1 hour ago, paintguy said:

The Federal Government tells Business how to operate in many ways. The Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, OSHA, IRS, FMLA  and many others tell businesses how they may operate. Some of these rules/laws are civil offenses, others are criminal offenses. Whether the OSHA proposed rule falls into what is allowed in OSHA authorizing legislation is not clear. A strict constructionist judge may not agree, as would a libertarian. A liberal judge may "push the envelope" to expand government involvement in employee "health". Hope whoever chooses to bring suit on this chooses their venue wisely.

 

Those have to do more with the environment and safety in the work place. The government cant dictate or discriminate workers against workers. If a certain group has to have the jab then EVERY worker should also be forced to be vaccinated. I am seriously trying to figure out with the 100 people number.....Why not every business? So you are telling me the small businesses cant spread the virus because they employee less then 100 ?

 

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FMLA and other regulations apply to employers with more than a threshold number of employees, believe 50. Government will argue that at larger workplaces an employee faces greater risks due to increased number of potential contacts. Not saying this is right. Just saying which arguments they are likely to encounter. 

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 I don’t get it. What is everyone afraid of with the shot?

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1 hour ago, ardvark666 said:

 I don’t get it. What is everyone afraid of with the shot?

 

On average it takes 9 to 12 YEARS for a vaccine or drug to be vetted to market............and they still miss major defects.

 

 

Former Notre Dame Professor Who Said, “Damn the Unvaccinated” Dies Two Weeks After Receiving 3rd Covid Shot.

 

Pfizer received the largest criminal fine in history. In Pfizer’s 2009 settlement, the company had to pay a criminal fine of $1.195 billion and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. had to forfeit $105 million, for a grand total of $1.3 billion. It's still the largest criminal fine ever imposed in the U.S.

 

 

 

Data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Sept. 24, 2021,
a total of 752,803 adverse events following COVID vaccines were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
The data included a total of 15,937 reports of deaths — an increase of 551 over the previous week.

There were 105,758 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 6,348 compared with the previous week.

Excluding “foreign reports” filed in VAERS, 581,851 adverse events, including 7,215 deaths and 45,952 serious injuries,
were reported in the U.S. between Dec. 14, 2020 and Sept. 24, 2021.

Of the 7,215 U.S. deaths reported as of Sept. 24, 11% occurred within 24 hours of vaccination,
16% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination and 29% occurred in people who experienced an onset of symptoms within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

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13 hours ago, Sterling Archer said:

 

 

 

I have 3 years before I can retire. If they force me to get the jab then I will go with the Johnson and Johnson 1 shot. I may try to get a local attorney to draw up paperwork making FORD responsible for any long term side effects. They are forcing me to get the jab so they need to be held responsible. Yeah I know....Good luck getting anyone to sign it.

 

 

 

I am in the same boat with five to go or three at a minimum.

I prefer to retire as is and not take a chance of health issues or death induced from a jab that does absolutely zero to stop or prevent covid.

 

Pretty crazy mandating something that's proven to have no impact on the desired goal.

 

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1 hour ago, ardvark666 said:

 I don’t get it. What is everyone afraid of with the shot?

 

I am not afraid of getting a vaccine that has been Tested and done the PROPER way. Not some vaccine that was rushed thru. If any other drug had over 700,000 adverse side effects it would be pulled IMMEDIATELY ! Remember...EVERY drug RECALLED by the FDA was once APPROVED by the FDA. It took from 1933 to 1945 to approve the FLU vaccine and it was not widely used until 1960's. Yes I know times have changed and so has the so called science, but to develop a vaccine and say it safe after 1 year?

 

( Data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Sept. 24, 2021,
a total of 752,803 adverse events following COVID vaccines were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
The data included a total of 15,937 reports of deaths — an increase of 551 over the previous week.
)

 

 

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