Mandatory Employee Vax Reporting

[paintguy]

8 hours ago, cal50 said:

Hey, I am sure the one approved on a long weekend is just as safe...............lol

 

FDA Approval Process. It takes on average 12 years and over US$350 million to get a new drug from the laboratory onto the pharmacy shelf. Once a company develops a drug, it undergoes around three and a half years of laboratory testing, before an application is made to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to begin testing the drug in humans.

Vaccines are actually even more rigorous in approval. Vaccines are for people who are not sick. Tolerance for side effects is minimal. Drugs have a different test. If it is a maintenance drug, taken daily, need to see how it builds up over time, or changes effectiveness. For serious illness, cancer, for example, side effects can be significant.

For vaccines, the biggest of the 20th century was polio. Research started in the 1930s. The Salk vaccine was developed in 1952 and mass vaccination began in 1955. So yes, COVID vaccines are a "warp speed" development. When you add the novel mRNA aspect, even more remarkable/alarming/"holy gene splicing Batman" it is. 

 

[paintguy]

12 hours ago, balthisar said:

Someone showed me an H.R. note yesterday indicating that salaried folks who fail to report their status will be hit with a 50% reduction of their profit sharing (I guess that supposes that we're profitable), as well as a performance mark on the permanent record. 

Speaks volumes about the ability to recruit new "talent" for Ford. Would have thought suspension with intent to fire. 

[cal50]

The flu shot does not stop the flu or flu deaths.

The covid shot does not stop covid or covid deaths.

 

If someone want to get them feel free , forcing it on anyone anywhere is wrong and not supported by actual facts and case stats.

[paintguy]

42 minutes ago, cal50 said:

The flu shot does not stop the flu or flu deaths.

The covid shot does not stop covid or covid deaths.

 

If someone want to get them feel free , forcing it on anyone anywhere is wrong and not supported by actual facts and case stats.

Whole range of ethics question there. 

Different risks for the old and those with health issues. Some precautions are used in people employed in industries (hospitals and senior care facilities) helping seniors and the ill, including flu vaccines that are not 100%.

For presumably healthy Ford employees what is appropriate? Offered the flu vaccine for years. Some take it and some pass it by. Seems appropriate.

For the young, say school children or college students, risk of serious illness or death may be less than the flu. There are risks, even advocates admit, to the vaccine. Seems a reach (or grab) to demand the jab.

Changing the narrative, health officials are now emboldened to ask for flu vaccine mandates. How far will this go? 

A few years back salary began paying more for health insurance if they had smoked cigarettes.

Will they demand a payment if we are a few pounds overweight? Corrective action plan, with a glide path to compliance?

 

[cal50]

Hard push for a non-problem group of out population , makes you wonder what they do when a real problem presents itself. 

 

The FDA panel has voted 17 to 0 to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 5 to 11-year-olds.

One of the FDA Panelists, Dr. Ruben, outlined his support by saying “We’re never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it. That’s the way it goes.”

 

(There has been a TOTAL of 542 deaths in the USA age 17 and under )

 

 

[road turtle]

how many of that board have received money from Pfizer?

 

 

[Decker]

On 10/27/2021 at 6:57 AM, cal50 said:

Hard push for a non-problem group of out population , makes you wonder what they do when a real problem presents itself. 

 

The FDA panel has voted 17 to 0 to approve the Pfizer vaccine for 5 to 11-year-olds.

One of the FDA Panelists, Dr. Ruben, outlined his support by saying “We’re never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it. That’s the way it goes.”

 

(There has been a TOTAL of 542 deaths in the USA age 17 and under )

 

 

Not the current members of the FDA but the FDA over the past century have approved a few mistakes that many paid dearly for in the reactions from the approved drugs.

One that comes to mind "Thalidomide" 

 

If the vaccination was sold to the public as something that it`s proving out to be, a vaccination to lesson the severe reactions and/or possible death, instead of a vaccination that cures but, in about 18 months this vaccination has proven that it`s become far from the cure. I believe people would be way less untrusting of the vax if it was portrayed as it is proving out to be. "A vaccination that just lessons the effect"  Then again there are recorded situations that we the people have been used as the laboratory to prove out drug results instead of true research and development processes. 

 

Now we are told our children are safe to use the vaccination? Oh but, the children will only get 1/3 the adult dose? Was there an elderly dose? Immune deficient dosage? The level of research and data accumulated in the last 6 months is reassuring enough to who?  17 experts? 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Decker

[fmccap]

Makes sense with data to back it up.

 

Children Shouldn’t Get COVID-19 Vaccines, Harvard Professor Says

 

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“One example is from Sweden, during the first wave in the spring of 2020, which affected Sweden quite strongly,” Kulldorff said. “But Sweden decided to keep daycare and schools open for all children ages 1 to 15. And there are 1.8 million such children who got through the first wave without vaccines, of course, without masks, without any sort of distancing in schools.

“If a child was sick, they were told to stay home. But that was basically it. And you know how many of those 1.8 million children died from COVID? Zero. Only a few hospitalizations. So this is not a risky disease for children.”

 

[road turtle]

There is mounting evidence the gene therapy not only does not change death rate, even worse, it showing signs of destroying the body's immunological system.

[Decker]

There`s more evidence of the public being fooled...

How Fauci Fooled America | Opinion (msn.com)

[road turtle]

WOW, on MSN too!  Does this mean we are getting close to following evidence based science instead of narrative based dogma?

[Decker]

Ford Mandatory Vaxxing? 

 

Would Ford mandate employee`s have to be get the jab every six months?  Seeing a report that now states the vax`d membership is good for six months of protection. The CDC or one of our expert groups released their findings that showed results were good for a six month life span for vax benefits. Never heard that from the good doctor?

 

On a slightly different note.... the "everyone that breaths air needs to be vax`d" guy is getting a different form of popularity here lately. 

Ernst's 'FAUCI Act' bans US funding for 'gain-of-function' research in China | Fox News

 

 

 

[Decker]

Welp.... maybe my guess of after the first of the year was off by a month

 

Cooperate is announcing these updates to our health and safety protocols:

 

• Effective immediately, most U.S. salaried employees will be required to be fully vaccinated by Dec. 8, 2021. You are considered fully vaccinated if you have received both doses of a two-dose vaccine or a single dose of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and 14 days have passed since completion of vaccination. This approach builds on our already established vaccine requirements put in place earlier this year requiring employees traveling internationally or those on international assignment, as well as Corporate Officers to be fully vaccinated. This policy will also ensure employees covered under the recently announced federal contractor guidelines meet the Executive Order requirements to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 since Ford is a federal contractor.

 • We recognize there are certain circumstances that prevent employees from being vaccinated and have established an accommodation process to support those who have religious or medical needs. More information can be found here.

 • We will continue to take a thoughtful and considerate approach when assessing the small percentage of our salaried workforce who are impacted by this policy and are not yet vaccinated. Those team members will receive additional information this week.

 

 • For U.S. salaried employees in manufacturing plants, parts depots and Ford Motor Credit, along with UAW-represented employees, additional information will be provided in a future announcement as we expect details on the regulations and required actions to be released in the coming weeks.

 

We understand that you may have questions and would encourage you to use the resources available here. We thank you for continuing to care for each other and for taking the important steps needed to keep our workforce safe.

 

https://www.at.ford.com/content/dam/atford/fna/images/articles/2021/09/Vac-Status_Team_Member_QA_FINAL.pdf

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by Decker

[fuzzymoomoo]

I still think it will be after Jan 1 when that shitstorm hits us 

[paintguy]

I recall when salary was required to have an annual physical to receive "enhanced" benefits (really the old regular benefits), it was rumored it would be rolled out to UAW the following year. Never happened. Heard "savings" were not worth the expense. Imagine resistance was also a factor.

[paintguy]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/vaccine-or-test-biden-advances-sweeping-new-mandates-for-private-sector/ar-AAQhc9F?li=BBnb7Kz

 

 

 

As an emergency standard, it could be effective immediately after issue. And will be challenged when delivered. Then it depends on which judge or judges will be ruling. I could go on, but that will become highly political. I'm not going there, just talk among yourselves.

[fuzzymoomoo]

1 hour ago, paintguy said:

I recall when salary was required to have an annual physical to receive "enhanced" benefits (really the old regular benefits), it was rumored it would be rolled out to UAW the following year. Never happened. Heard "savings" were not worth the expense. Imagine resistance was also a factor.

This time feels different. I don't believe the union will put up a fight at all and there's far too many people who are all in on government overreach who welcome all of this bullshit. Those of us who still believe in personal responsibility and civil liberties are probably screwed. 

[fuzzymoomoo]

23 minutes ago, paintguy said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/vaccine-or-test-biden-advances-sweeping-new-mandates-for-private-sector/ar-AAQhc9F?li=BBnb7Kz

 

 

 

As an emergency standard, it could be effective immediately after issue. And will be challenged when delivered. Then it depends on which judge or judges will be ruling. I could go on, but that will become highly political. I'm not going there, just talk among yourselves.

Ford is considered a federal contractor so weekly testing will not be an option 

[Decker]

Ford is definitely a government contractor. They don’t want to do anything to stop sending all those maintenance and replacement parts for all those Ford Rangers that Brandon gifted the Taliban. 

[cal50]

If Ford put it out there to comply but will actually honor all requested exemptions then fine.

If Ford refuses to grant exemptions then its a new low for the company , IMHO.

 

I know a fleet purchase manager and he stopped buying Ford vehicles when they supported BLM. This latest move is not a good one and part of going "woke".

Providing PPE or a shot if you want it is fine , forcing jabs on everyone is completely insane.

 

I know our plant will be losing some key engineering staff.....

[Footballfan]

Brandon is a failed president 9months into his administration.  At least it took Jimmy Carter three years to reach that depth.  Ford embracing a failed and toxic leader is stupid.  Ford should be focused on building world class product and expanding  market share based on customer needs instead of trying to social engineer and be "woke."   

[Decker]

Just to but things in the batshit crazy perspective,  as listed below "Ford Employee`s now required to be fully vaccinated by December 08 2021" 

 

Which Ford employees are now being required to be fully vaccinated by December 8, 2021? Salaried, non-represented employees at all U.S. locations, including remote workers (with the exception of site-dependent employees of manufacturing plant facilities and parts depots, and all Ford Motor Credit employees), are now being required to be fully vaccinated by December 8. 2021

 

Then to be just as confusing as Brandon,  the list of exceptions... to the requirements?  If you`re an employee working from home and/or remotely you have to have the jab? Um to protect other Ford employee`s that live with you? Then the similarities go on with Brandon`s mandates, USPS employee`s aren`t at risk? and you aren`t at risk from or to other Ford Credit employee`s? 

 

Wake up and head to your facility as an employee that gets a check only twice a month and preform salaried operations but, once a month the juice money is deducted and sent to the IUAW. Yep the IUAW. I`m sure there's some interesting conversations going on in those circles. 

 

Then the very next paragraph gets into the umm`s, well aah`s and we will let ewe`s know...

 

"Why are current employees at manufacturing facilities, parts depots, and Ford Motor Credit not yet required to be vaccinated by December 8, 2021? Manufacturing facilities and depots are specific exclusions due to having product-based federal contracts under the federal contractor guidelines. Guidelines around the vaccination mandate are complex and we continue to carefully evaluate the federal orders, including the pending details from the OSHA Emergency Temporary Standard, as we develop our policies for additional employee groups, including Ford Motor Credit. When this federal standard is published, we will review its requirements and provide more information."

 

It seems like Brandon and his crew got ahold of some really good medicinal weed and turned the woke Ford believers on to it... 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Decker

[paintguy]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-sets-jan-4-deadline-for-vaccination-mandate/ar-AAQjAwd?li=BBnb7Kz

 

The legal challenges sure to begin.

[Decker]

Merck's Covid pill approved by UK regulator, a potential game changer in fighting the pandemic

 

Developed jointly by Ridgeback Biotherapeutics and Merck, the pill works by interfering with the virus’ replication.

This prevents it from multiplying, keeping virus levels low in the body and therefore reducing the severity of the disease, the MHRA said.

Britain is the first country to approve the drug.

 

The MHRA said the decision "follows a rigorous review of its safety, quality and effectiveness" and made it the "first oral antiviral for the treatment of Covid-19 to be approved."

 

Based on the clinical trial data, the oral pill is most effective when taken during the early stages of infection. As such, the British regulator recommended its use as soon as possible following a positive Covid test and within five days of the onset of symptoms.

 

The antiviral pill has been authorized for use in people who have mild to moderate Covid and at least one risk factor for developing severe illness, such as obesity, diabetes mellitus, or heart disease and anyone over the age of 60.

 

'Gamechanger'

 

Wait Wait Wait our pot at the end of the rona rainbow is in jeopardy… the J&J, Pfizer’s and Moderna must be discussing at their board meetings.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Decker

[fuzzymoomoo]

6 hours ago, paintguy said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-sets-jan-4-deadline-for-vaccination-mandate/ar-AAQjAwd?li=BBnb7Kz

 

The legal challenges sure to begin.

And I bet every one of them loses