Only1bemp Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 Does anyone know about the removal of the factory installed keypad for 2025 F150? If it’s a dealer option, will it be a crappy stick on one or an OEM that actually is wired in like the current one? I have seen bogus articles that said Ford removed the rear door IA door handle sensors. However, that was wrong because even in 2015 Platinum the rear door handles never had touch sensors to u lock the doors. So I’m just curious if this is actually true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 (edited) Its most likely the OEM one-the 2025 Explorer and Bronco Sport have a similar setup that is a dealer installed accessory. The stick on one is for products like the Bronco and Ranger that don't have the wiring for it. Oddly enough the Maverick (based on the Escape/Bronco Sport) doesn't have an internal keypad in the door, just the stick on one. Edited December 8, 2024 by Sherminator98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 Appears to be a wired one. https://www.fordservicecontent.dealerconnection.com/Ford_Content/Catalog/accessory_files/2025_CMY_F150_Super_Duty_Keyless_Entry_Keypad.pdf HRG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 It’s the factory e integrated in the b pillar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 Borg was speculating this feature was gone from the new Nautilus and Navigator but I saw some pics recently someone posted in the "Everything Lincoln" group on facebook of a new Navigator at a dealership and the front door was open and you could see the keypad lit up. I really hope Ford never removes this feature it's a really nice backup to have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 It’s such an odd thing to have as dealer installed. I don’t know I’d trust my dealer to do it. All of my cars have it, and I use it frequently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 12 hours ago, Andrew L said: Borg was speculating this feature was gone from the new Nautilus and Navigator but I saw some pics recently someone posted in the "Everything Lincoln" group on facebook of a new Navigator at a dealership and the front door was open and you could see the keypad lit up. I really hope Ford never removes this feature it's a really nice backup to have. 2 hours ago, sullynd said: It’s such an odd thing to have as dealer installed. I don’t know I’d trust my dealer to do it. All of my cars have it, and I use it frequently. Well couple of different ways of thinking about this: It cuts down on build complexly for Ford Throws a bone to the dealership to charge labor for installation. Some other reasons for Ford to get rid of it: perimeter access and the Fordpass app I'm guessing Ford will collect data to see how often it is being used. I get the ability to lock your keys in the car (which IMO is a bad idea), but the Fordpass app and the perimeter access make that you either don't need keys or need to take them out your pocket. I had the key access code on my SHO that I used a few times if I didn't have my keys on me to make sure it was locked...otherwise I never remembered the code because I could just touch the door handle (with my keys in my pocket) to get into it. I have my wife's Bronco Sport on my Fordpass app so I can unlock it and not have to carry an extra fob around or find the extra one floating around the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 23 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: Well couple of different ways of thinking about this: It cuts down on build complexly for Ford Throws a bone to the dealership to charge labor for installation. Some other reasons for Ford to get rid of it: perimeter access and the Fordpass app I'm guessing Ford will collect data to see how often it is being used. I get the ability to lock your keys in the car (which IMO is a bad idea), but the Fordpass app and the perimeter access make that you either don't need keys or need to take them out your pocket. I had the key access code on my SHO that I used a few times if I didn't have my keys on me to make sure it was locked...otherwise I never remembered the code because I could just touch the door handle (with my keys in my pocket) to get into it. I have my wife's Bronco Sport on my Fordpass app so I can unlock it and not have to carry an extra fob around or find the extra one floating around the house. I think all of these reasons are valid, but I would add a couple of other points: Attempting to force people to the Ford app for data collection purposes, which can be monetized in some way. Data has significant value. Ford decontenting while still charging you the same, adding to their bottom line. As a person who routinely uses the keypad, I suppose you can say at least it’s still available as an option, however irritating I think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 With phone as a key it’s used to access the vehicle when your phone is not available and you can start it with a password. Locking the key inside can be very convenient when doing physical activities where you do t want to carry the keys or your phone. But I would guess at least half of the owners don’t use it or even know about it. So it makes sense to make it a dealer installed option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 46 minutes ago, tbone said: I think all of these reasons are valid, but I would add a couple of other points: Attempting to force people to the Ford app for data collection purposes, which can be monetized in some way. Data has significant value. Ford decontenting while still charging you the same, adding to their bottom line. As a person who routinely uses the keypad, I suppose you can say at least it’s still available as an option, however irritating I think it is. One example I used was when I lived in RI I was on a recreation softball team and our uniforms didn't have pockets. I didn't want to carry my phone or my wallet so I locked everything into my Lincoln LS that I had at the time and when we were done playing all I had to do was punch my code in and get all my stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 I haven’t carried keys since I got my Mach-E (unless using my wife or sons cars). If they want to get rid of it (build complexity etc) then get rid of it. Building every car with 90% of what it takes to make it work is crazy. Anyone can use the keypad. I leave my sunglasses in my son’s car? He can unlock my truck and leave them in it. We get out of meetings at separate times, but drove together? He can let himself in my truck. If I were to lose/break my phone, or the battery dies the keypad lets me drive still. Phone as Key really makes the keypad more valuable, not less. There are days where I use the keypad on both our Maverick and Edge - for instance when swapping out the insurance cards. Lack of a keypad, or lack of capless fuel filler (another “Ford thing” isn’t going to keep me from buying a Ford, but it is something that might keep me from buying another brand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 4 hours ago, sullynd said: I haven’t carried keys since I got my Mach-E (unless using my wife or sons cars). If they want to get rid of it (build complexity etc) then get rid of it. Building every car with 90% of what it takes to make it work is crazy. Anyone can use the keypad. I leave my sunglasses in my son’s car? He can unlock my truck and leave them in it. We get out of meetings at separate times, but drove together? He can let himself in my truck. If I were to lose/break my phone, or the battery dies the keypad lets me drive still. Phone as Key really makes the keypad more valuable, not less. There are days where I use the keypad on both our Maverick and Edge - for instance when swapping out the insurance cards. Lack of a keypad, or lack of capless fuel filler (another “Ford thing” isn’t going to keep me from buying a Ford, but it is something that might keep me from buying another brand. Totally agree with your sentiments. I wish the Edge I was driving yesterday would have had the keypad. It would have been nice to have been able to lock the keys in the car while I went mountain biking. Instead I had to take them with me. Imagine if I lost them during that time frame. Did I miss that Ford is taking steps to eliminate the capless fuel filler? I hope that is not the case. I also love that feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 10, 2024 Share Posted December 10, 2024 16 hours ago, tbone said: Totally agree with your sentiments. I wish the Edge I was driving yesterday would have had the keypad. It would have been nice to have been able to lock the keys in the car while I went mountain biking. Instead I had to take them with me. Imagine if I lost them during that time frame. Did I miss that Ford is taking steps to eliminate the capless fuel filler? I hope that is not the case. I also love that feature. I think it was just an example of another feature that Ford products have that others don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln guy Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 Not a day goes by that I don't use the keypad in my MKZ or Nautilus. I find it extremely valuable and would not like to see it discontinued or "cheapened". Yes , I can use my phone with the Lincoln App, but it's much more convenient and simple to use the keypad. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/10/2024 at 8:56 AM, rmc523 said: I think it was just an example of another feature that Ford products have that others don't. I thought I saw GM added it recently? Not sure how well it is doing for them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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