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No way, the GT will kick its butt. Was referring to the standard Aviator as he mentions . A Build and Price on the GT requires the GT1 package to be similarly equipped as the ST which puts it at $78,000. That's almost $20,000 more in price. You can't compare the two. My post was more referencing his quote of "I've seen both in person now and there's plenty of "extra" substance to justify the Aviator's pricing,"

Pristine White is a different paint code so it is a different color. White Platinum is more of a pearl color. This Pristine White is truly White. It reminds of of the Audi White.. It is truly bright and true. Don't think you can get more white if that makes sense. This is nowhere near White Platinum Tricoat.

Coming from someone who isn't a moderator on here.. Calling yourself a "somewhat expert" and stating how you have driven over 1,000 cars and 15 years in the auto journal industry etc, one would think that they would know Standard Ford/Lincoln practice as this has been going on for... well, as long as I can possibly remember (more then the 15 years you have been in Auto Journalism). If one is going to try to prove/show/state their credentials, be sure that you know what you are talking about. Sorry, not sorry. Although you have a decent review, there are a few things that I would disagree with. Of course the Aviator is more luxurious and offers more than the Explorer has BUT the Explorer ST will outperform the Aviator in every other way except Luxury. It will corner better, handle better, accelerator faster (we will see about braking better) etc. The ST is tuned for performance. I will agree with you that Lincoln has a real winner with the Aviator regardless.

I am not a lawyer nor attempt to give legal advice. But typically in these types of cases, one has to be negligent to be found guilty (the dealer). If a rock came off another vehicle in front, the dealer was not negligent. I'm not sure if the dealer is responsible for this type of damage (maybe their insurance company) as they were doing what they should have been doing, test driving before returning to the customer. This is not like they rear ended someone and caused an accident. This also reminds me of when my Explorer got a dent in the passenger door. They called me up and asked if there were any previous dents.. I said no. They told me that there was a small one now and they are getting a PDR over today to pull it out. Apparently what happened was the back lot was so full that they left it in their front lot where customers park when shopping for cars. Someone there dented my door when they opened their car door. In this instance, the dealer was certainly negligent by not securing the vehicle and protecting it. That's my 2 cents.. YMMV

Yes they do, they will just keep getting pushed back if the projected O2B isn't given. Here are my 2 STs (had to reorder because I changed color) April got the build week and Build date ended up being the 21st of this month. 2nd one placed in May received a build date in less then a week for July 26th but last week many Explorer members got theirs pushed back and it is now showing Aug 4th.

I personally think it is going to be a big cluster F... 5 -6 weeks of production, all piled up in storage lots.. have to go through them all, then figure out how to get them all out of the lot.

Retail orders are not being built yet. Only the Explorer (non hybrid) received the Ok 2 Buy about 3 hours ago. Aviators have not been given the ok 2 buy yet. Just because they are scheduled, they will continue to be pushed back until the ok 2 Buy is given. Explorers last week got pushed back approximately 10 days because it hadn't been given yet. So although orders are scheduled, it doesn't mean anything until we finally achieve Ok 2 Buy.

Thanks to another member on the Explorer Forum, ok 2 buy has been issued on Explorer only. NO hybrids and NO Aviators yet.

Because they are the only ones to post a review? Lol

I guess we know where those trucks of Explorer's were going...

I agree. My mother's 17 fusion 2.0 hums quietly... much more quiet refined then the 3.5 in my 11 Explorer.

Only the ones that regularly go to vehicle forums (enthusiasts).

Yes but then you give up the massaging seats. If you want those, tablet screen it is.

0-60 in 5.5.. not too bad. A nice tune should get that in the low 5s.

Well that was wierd. Not sure how that happened. Sorry.

"Ford promises 500 miles to a tank" with the hybrid. 500 / 17.3 gallons = 29 mpg minimum highway. My guess is it will hit 30mpg as I would think Ford would not want to miss that mark.

I dont want the autoblog link.. I want the gmi link lmao. Where is the popcorn? 🍿

They were posted in the Explorer thread a little over a week ago

At the top under documents/guides.

Good morning, another update if possible please. 1FM5K8GC7LGA02284

That just means all those people who had a Stock order placed will be rattling and falling apart driving off the dealer lots lol. Certainly glad I have a Retail order.. 5 weeks tomorrow and they are still having issues!!!

Well that makes sense...

A guy on the Explorer forum knows the QC manager of CAP. He asked today and was told no ok to buy has been given. So not sure where those trucks were going.

Which ones?

Everything you said I just said. I'll agree to disagree in that it is still a marketing ploy/gimmick.