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Ford has engineered a good vehicle with features that customers want and have done so at an affordable price. Goes to show what consumers are looking for - value. Too bad that Ford can't keep up with demand.

Escape Hybrid and Maverick Hybrid offer no AWD option. But, consumers can get AWD with an ICE Escape and Maverick. All Bronco Sports have AWD. These models are all built on the same platform. The point is if Ford is planning only hybrid systems for these models, then AWD has to be available. Otherwise, it's a non-starter.

We don't know what battery technology will look like in 2030 - solid state, sodium ion, etc. I just hope that we aren't relying on foreign battery manufacturers. CATL is a Chinese company and China could cutoff that technology to the U.S. in a heartbeat. As far as all Ford products being electrified by 2030, it's possible because they are including BEVs and Hybrids. But based on what we know today about BEVs, there's a lot of huddles to overcome before they will be accepted by the mass consumer - short range, long charging times, relatively short battery life, cost to buy, high insurance rates, poor performance in cold climates, lack of infrastructure (charging network). So, hybrids and ICE vehicles may be around longer that what we think. As far as converting their entire model lineup to BEV, Ford currently has 3 BEV products for sale or in the works - Mach-e, F150, and Transit. There's no BEV Mustang 2 door coupe or convertible on the horizon. The same for Bronco, Edge, Escape, Bronco Sport, Maverick. A BEV Explorer was delayed so Ford could increase capacity for the Mach-e and F150. Again, hybrids and ICE vehicles will be here for quite a while.

Dealers will take delivery of vehicles that consumers have ordered online directly from the manufacturer. It's actually a win win for the dealer and consumer. The dealers will still make money on the difference between invoice and MSRP. Consumers will be able to order exactly what they want and will know what they are paying for the vehicle. Dealers will no longer have to maintain large inventories and won't have the interest expense for those inventories. Dealer F&I will still be there to make loans, sell extended warranties, etc. and generate revenue just like today. The dealer service department may suffer some as result of less maintenance on BEVs, but there will be ICE vehicles for years to come that will continue to require maintenance. In fact, many ICE owners may keep their vehicles longer.

Currently BEVs are too costly to buy for consumers. Have to get the cost down over the next 5 years which I suspect will happen.

Solid state batteries would be a game changer. More power, longer range, shorter charging times, lighter weight, and less chance to catch on fire. Could be too good to be true. The issue has always been with the mass production and the cost. This news could be break thru. I have read that Toyota is also invested in solid state batteries as well.

A base Mustang GT (ICE) is about $39,000. A base Mustang Ecoboost (ICE) is about $30,000. Price has always been a strong point for the Mustang. Performance at an affordable price. If Ford comes out with a BEV Mustang Coupe (2 Door) with 350 hp - 480 hp and does not weigh over two tons (like the Mach-e) and an affordable price, then Ford will have a winner!! Talking about 1964 1/2 all over again!! It may be a while, since I read that the current Mach-e platform would have to be switched out to support a 2 Door Coupe / Convertible, possibly a 4 Door Sedan, and a SUV.

This is good news. That's a lot of Mach-e and 150 Lightnings. I wonder what other models will be BEV in next 2 years - Escape, Bronco Sport, Bronco, Mustang Coupe (2 door)???

Penalties on owners of ICE vehicles to force them into BEV vehicles is a sure way to delay the acceptance of BEVs. People won't even take a vaccine that can keep them healthy and maybe save their lives because someone is telling them they have to. People aren't going to give up their ICE cars; e.g. Mustang owners. In fact, ICE cars may appreciate in value. Consumers will decide to buy a BEV when they determine it's a better alternative to whatever they are currently driving. And don't forget, depending on which political party is in power will determine the laws and regulations that impact on how fast or slow we migrate to BEVs.

As you said these are milestone dates, nothing binding. In 10-20 years the huddles that BEVs have to get over may be resolved - range, long charging times, short battery life, lack of infrastructure. Changes in battery technology will be important, who knows what it will look like by 2030 or 2040. But in the end, consumers will make final decision.

I hope so, but we're have to wait and see. Consumers will have final say.

I think it will be a mix of ICE, Hybrid, and BEV for the foreseeable future. Battery technology is changing and will look differently by end of this decade (e.g., solid state batteries, faster charging times, farther range, more charging stations, etc.). Although, the migration to BEVs is well underway, it's probably not going to happen as fast as some of us want.

A hybrid Mustang Ecoboost might give you 340 hp and over 400 torque which would be pretty good for a 4 cylinder. Similar increases for the 5.0 (would make up for the 10 hp reduction for the 2022). Couple that with better emissions and fuel economy. Concern is the added weight; Ford has to figure out how to shed pounds not add. Other questions, does hybrid mean mild hybrid or plug-in? Will hybrid mean Ford moves to AWD for the Mustang (i.e. add electric motor to drive front wheels)? Will hybrid be an option, i.e. the base 2.3 and 5.0 will be non-hybrid? Will the hybrid be offered at introduction of the S650 or offered several years after? 2023 MY is getting relatively close, when will we start getting more information?

The biggest hurdles for electric vehicles to overcome are short range, long charging times, and lack of infrastructure, i.e. charging stations. These problems will eventually be resolved, but I doubt if they will be fixed by 2030. Until then, consumers will be reluctant to buy electric.

Current issues associated with BEVs will continue to improve and be resolved. But, it will take a lot longer than the end of this decade.

The Mach-e is a beautiful vehicle and is an example of what a good BEV could be. But, there are a lot of issues that BEVs must overcome before they will be accepted by the mass market. These issues will take time, so a 20-30 year time frame isn't unrealistic. 1) Range anxiety. Consumers are not going to be comfortable driving a vehicle with less than 300 mile range. 2) Lack of charging stations. This couples with range anxiety. The infrastructure for BEVs has a long way to go. In addition, not everyone has a garage where they can charge their vehicle overnight, i.e., what do people do who live in apartments? 3) Length of time to charge batteries. Again, this goes with range anxiety and lack of infrastructure. Consumers aren't going to wait 45 minutes to an hour or more at a charging station. 4) Cost. A Mach-e is a very nice vehicle. But for $56,000 for an extended range and AWD, is out of reach for most consumers. 5) Technology. Battery technology is in middle of changing. With the introduction of solid state batteries in the next 5 years or so, could obsolete current BEVs. Incentives and government policy aren't enough to move consumers into BEVs. BEVs have to be as convenient as ICE powered vehicles. They also need style, features, performance, etc. that consumers want to pay for.

No more ICE Mustangs by 2028?? Won't happen!! Next generation Mustang will be available in 2022 as 2023 MY. It will have a run of at least 8 years. V8 engine (6.2 liter) and Ecoboost engines will be offered. Hybrid and AWD options will also be available. We'll probably see an all electric Mustang coupe sold along side the ICE models at some point during the next generation. Battery technology is evolving and we won't know exactly where it will be by 2028. But, by 2028, will the U.S. have an electrical grid large enough to support an all of electric fleet? Will we have the infrastructure that can generate enough electricity for our homes and charge our electric vehicles? Finally, current costs for the Mach-e puts it out of reach for many consumers. Price has always been selling point for Mustang - a performance car for an affordable price. Will that still be the case?

Couple of things. I have read where the S650 Mustang will be significant larger since it will be built on the Explorer platform. Bigger is not necessarily better. If anything, the next generation Mustang needs to lose some weight and maintain similar dimensions as the current Mustang. The S650 Mustang will be able to support a hybrid configuration and AWD. Forget the hybrid; just waste of money. Besides, Ford already has the Mustang Mach E that is all electric, AWD (option), 4 door, SUV. The next Mustang coupe and convertible should remain 2 door , RWD, and Internal Combustion Engine only. So, potential line up for the S650 Mustang: Mustang Ecoboost - 2.3 Ecoboost Mustang V6 (bring back the V6) - 2.7 Ecoboost Mustang GT - 5.0 V8

The new Escape seems to set lower. I've looked at specs, but none have listed ground clearance. Does anyone know what the ground clearance is?

The 1.5 Ecoboost 3 cylinder engine has been used in the European Focus and Fiesta. The same engine in the Fiesta St produces 200 hp. In the new Escape, it will produce 180 hp which buyers will find is more than enough performance. In fact I wouldn't be surprise that the SE model will be the sales leader. This engine has another feature that will probably raise the eyebrows of the same 3 cylinder skeptics. It has cylinder deactivation at cruising speeds. All I can say is look for upcoming actual road tests. https://www.tu-auto.com/tested-ford-focus-2018-1-5-litre-ecoboost/

A four door SUV with the pony emblem will never work. I had always believed that the Mach E would be the name for the high performance, Hybrid Mustang.

Attached article said that next mustang will be considerably bigger (at least a 9 inch increase in length). That would be bad mistake. Although Mustang needs to shed some weight, current dimensions are almost perfect.