ANTAUS Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 LINK-Ford Media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSFan00 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I hope it's quiet. This kind of marketing isn't really new though. GM's been advertising it's "quiet steel" used in buicks/pontiacs for a while. Those ads always make me chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I hope it's quiet. This kind of marketing isn't really new though. GM's been advertising it's "quiet steel" used in buicks/pontiacs for a while. Those ads always make me chuckle. I believe Ford was the first to advertise the use of "quiet steel" in the '04 F-150. Was right about the same time as the corny hanging-by-a-bed-bolt ad. :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkaresh Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 The stuff was first used by Lexus. I cannot remember if they advertised it, but probably. A big downside is that quiet steel cannot be recycled, unless this has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g48150 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 The stuff was first used by Lexus. I cannot remember if they advertised it, but probably. A big downside is that quiet steel cannot be recycled, unless this has changed. You got it Mr. Karesh. I have a buddy that works at Applied Materials and the "quiet" material inside the steel beams has a half life roughly equivalent to lead, so its going to be around a while. Plus it doesn't have a "solvent" that breaks it down into "smaller pieces". Current "quiet steel" is pretty much worthless to any corporation that has "Sustainable" business practices... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 A half life equivalent to lead? Are you talking radioactive materials? The most common lead isotope really does not have a half life, as it does not decay by emitting radiation. The "quiet steel" used in automobiles is a steel/polymer/steel sandwich, I have a piece of it sitting on my desk. It IS recycleable. The polymer just "burns away" in the steelmaking process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g48150 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) A half life equivalent to lead? Are you talking radioactive materials? The most common lead isotope really does not have a half life, as it does not decay by emitting radiation. The "quiet steel" used in automobiles is a steel/polymer/steel sandwich, I have a piece of it sitting on my desk. It IS recycleable. The polymer just "burns away" in the steelmaking process. Basic high school chemistry would tend to disagree with you my friend, EVERYTHING has a half life. Oh, and "burns away" ISN'T recycling, its a physical change of matter, that is not recycling. Edited February 13, 2007 by g48150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 "EVERYTHING has a half life" The term half-life refers to radioactive elements rate of spontaneous decay, and is the amount of time for 50% of any radioactive element to fission into something else. The non-radioactive elements around here were formed billions of years ago and essentially, unless annihilated with conjunction with anti-matter, or sucked into a black hole, will be around until the end of this universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Oh, and "burns away" ISN'T recycling, its a physical change of matter, that is not recycling. But your still reusing the steel! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) "EVERYTHING has a half life" The term half-life refers to radioactive elements rate of spontaneous decay, and is the amount of time for 50% of any radioactive element to fission into something else. The non-radioactive elements around here were formed billions of years ago and essentially, unless annihilated with conjunction with anti-matter, or sucked into a black hole, will be around until the end of this universe. Quiet Steel from MSC L and C comprises two metal skins surrounding a 25 micron-weldable viscoelastic polymer core. There is nothing radioactive in it so I fail to see why half life was ever brought up. The product is 100% recyclable, something both Ford and GM insisted on. The product has been in existance for about 15 years but has only come to prominence since about 2001. For our American friends, 25 microns = 1 thousandth of an inch. This level of contaminant in recycling is insignificant. There are many other sources out there but here's a link: http://www.engineeringtalk.com/news/msc/msc100.html In addition, Quiet Steel is 100% recyclable. This is very important to the automotive industry today, as it seeks to increase the use of more "green" materials. Many NVH materials used today are not environmentally friendly and must be separated during the recycling process. Edited February 14, 2007 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 It never ceases to amaze me what people will argue about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) "EVERYTHING has a half life" The term half-life refers to radioactive elements rate of spontaneous decay, and is the amount of time for 50% of any radioactive element to fission into something else. The non-radioactive elements around here were formed billions of years ago and essentially, unless annihilated with conjunction with anti-matter, or sucked into a black hole, will be around until the end of this universe. The term half-life does not solely refer to radioactive decay, but anything subject to exponential decay, including chemical processes: Wikipedia lists three other usages for half-life (lambda): In an RC circuit or RL circuit, lambda is the reciprocal of the circuit's time constant lambda (the symbol is the same as the mean lifetime, noted above; the two quantities happen to be equal). For simple RC and RL circuits, lambda equals RC or L / R, respectively. In first-order chemical reactions, lambda is the reaction rate constant. In biology (specifically pharmacokinetics), from MeSH: Half-Life: The time it takes for a substance (drug, radioactive nuclide, or other) to lose half of its pharmacologic, physiologic, or radiologic activity. Year introduced: 1974 (1971). I won't claim any knowledge about how Quiet Steel would decay or whether it is recyclable enough so that it would matter in the first place... Edit: Apparently the board is not Unicode compatible, so no spiffy Lambda character. Edited February 14, 2007 by Noah Harbinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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