waymondospiff Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Model May - YTD Quick note: it's nearly impossible to categorize "compact CUVs" so I've used only the smallest CUV from every brand, except for Honda which uses the CR-V chassis for two similar vehicles and Chrysler with the not-really "UVs" Compass & Patriot, so the Liberty gets thrown in. Escape 18,953 - 73,058 Mariner 4,395 - 2,349 Compass 3,735 - 18,812 Patriot 4,504 - 10,336 Liberty 7,654 - 41,560 Equinox 6,594 - 36,603 Torrent 2,885 - 12,481 RAV4 16,547 - 72,447 Tucson 3,454 - 16,711 CR-V 19,513 - 84,464 Element 3,187 - 16,728 Sportage 4,678 - 20,088 Forester 3,871 - ??? Grand Vitara 1,949 - 8,745 Tribute 1,119 - 3,575 I'm not really a fan of the 2008 Escape, but it's hard to argue with the numbers: second in single-model sales only to the CR-V (selling more than the vaunted RAV4). Plus, Ford is the largest manufacturer in this segment - 23,348 (Escape & Mariner) vs. 22,700 (CR-V & Element), and that's not including the platform-mate Tribute. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Model May - YTD Quick note: it's nearly impossible to categorize "compact CUVs" so I've used only the smallest CUV from every brand, except for Honda which uses the CR-V chassis for two similar vehicles and Chrysler with the not-really "UVs" Compass & Patriot, so the Liberty gets thrown in. Escape 18,953 - 73,058 Mariner 4,395 - 2,349 Compass 3,735 - 18,812 Patriot 4,504 - 10,336 Liberty 7,654 - 41,560 Equinox 6,594 - 36,603 Torrent 2,885 - 12,481 RAV4 16,547 - 72,447 Tucson 3,454 - 16,711 CR-V 19,513 - 84,464 Element 3,187 - 16,728 Sportage 4,678 - 20,088 Forester 3,871 - ??? Grand Vitara 1,949 - 8,745 Tribute 1,119 - 3,575 I'm not really a fan of the 2008 Escape, but it's hard to argue with the numbers: second in single-model sales only to the CR-V (selling more than the vaunted RAV4). Plus, Ford is the largest manufacturer in this segment - 23,348 (Escape & Mariner) vs. 22,700 (CR-V & Element), and that's not including the platform-mate Tribute. Scott really...that could never happen no...impossible...lol :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 CR-V sales are limited by production capacity, not demand. Honda is addressing that as we speak. No Hybrid or V6 extra sales. Hardly any fleet sales too. Just wow... They did their homework on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 CR-V sales are limited by production capacity, not demand. Honda is addressing that as we speak. No Hybrid or V6 extra sales. Hardly any fleet sales too. Just wow... They did their homework on this one. and you say that the rest of us make excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim kakouris Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 "but...but....how can the escape/mariner sell with those drum brakes and FOUR SPEED transmission??" simple. if a vehicle drives well, looks nice, and the price is right, it will sell. sometimes technical specs mean nothing. look how well the corolla sells and it flat out sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGallun Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 CR-V sales are limited by production capacity, not demand. Honda is addressing that as we speak. No Hybrid or V6 extra sales. Hardly any fleet sales too. Just wow... They did their homework on this one. hmmmmm.. drove by a enterprise today... and behold i saw 7 CRV rentals.. didnt see any escapes thou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 CR-V sales are limited by production capacity, not demand. Honda is addressing that as we speak. No Hybrid or V6 extra sales. Hardly any fleet sales too. Just wow... They did their homework on this one. Hmmm reminds me of the Fusion excuses :lol: We dont have any numbers on fleet sales with the 08 Model, so that wont be verifed till this time next year or so As for doing their homework, the front end designers and the rear end designers must have never talked...the bubblebutt tail gate and the monstrous gap in the front bumper are horrible! Otherwise it looks ok...and people complain about Fords styling...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davew Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 hmmmmm.. drove by a enterprise today... and behold i saw 7 CRV rentals.. didnt see any escapes thou. Maybe because they were rented and on the road. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman100 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I would think Escape and Mariner sales are being helped by the sizable incentives on the leftover 2007 models that are included in the sales figures. On the CRV, I don't like the styling, particularly the rear hatch that would be heavily damaged in any rear fender bender accident. I think they are overrated, but they are popular. My parent's last car was a 2002 CRV - I never understood the appeal of the car. My favorite, price no object, would be the RAV4. Price dependent would be the Saturn VUE with the polymer body panels and the Honda powertrain, or coming in 2008, the Torrent with the upgraded powertrain. I'd throw a 2007 Mariner in the mix too because of the nice incentives, but the 2008 doesn't have enough improvements to make it worth that much more than what the 2007 is going for right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordPaul Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 The Enterprise lot next to where I eat lunch twice a week is loaded with Patriots. And alot of GM model cars and a few Nissans. Did see 2 F-150s though they were the only Fords there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I would think Escape and Mariner sales are being helped by the sizable incentives on the leftover 2007 models that are included in the sales figures. On the CRV, I don't like the styling, particularly the rear hatch that would be heavily damaged in any rear fender bender accident. I think they are overrated, but they are popular. My parent's last car was a 2002 CRV - I never understood the appeal of the car. My favorite, price no object, would be the RAV4. Price dependent would be the Saturn VUE with the polymer body panels and the Honda powertrain, or coming in 2008, the Torrent with the upgraded powertrain. I'd throw a 2007 Mariner in the mix too because of the nice incentives, but the 2008 doesn't have enough improvements to make it worth that much more than what the 2007 is going for right now. There weren't many 07s around the lots from Jan on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarShark Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 A couple things I want to say: 1) Can we quit it with these "(insert rental or dealership) near me has (insert exaggerated number) of (insert model I don't like)" posts? 2) Whether you think that the '08 Escape is a smoke-and-mirrors botch job (like myself) or the best that Ford could do with what they have, it seems to have worked, at least in conjunction with the incentives of the '07s. It will be interesting to see in August or September (or whenever they run out of '07s) whether the sales level stays the same. A bunch of people are celebrating that the Escape is outselling the RAV-4, but for how long? The Escape leads by only 611 units. 3) pcsario may have something to his thought about capacity. The Civic has been down over so many months. Now, suddenly, they sold 40,000 in one month. The same thing with the Accord, it's been selling well up to now. Now it's down 5000 units. It seems like a concerted effort to me. A real balancing act, with the CR-V benefiting, likely because they make more on it. I don't know what they are going to do if the new Accord takes off AND the CR-V continues this way. 4) You can't really assume that the CR-V would do a ton better if there was a V-6 or hybrid, though it does raise the question as to why Honda doesn't offer them. I think the lack of V-6 can be explained by the percentage of small SUVs/CUV favoring four-pots in a big way. That's probably what Ford was thinking when they left it out of the new-ish Escape. With a limited supply, the Escape could use it, but the Edge, Taurus and Taurus X NEED it. Just a matter of priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCK Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 As for doing their homework, the front end designers and the rear end designers must have never talked...the bubblebutt tail gate and the monstrous gap in the front bumper are horrible! Otherwise it looks ok...and people complain about Fords styling...LOL People say Ford's Styling are dull boring and very dated, Honda has polarizing designs now but you can't call them boring. Even Ford admits their designs are boring: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/design/...-boring-design/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smok Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Escape is selling well on value and looks. Ford did a great job on both. At least here in Canada, they are priced right and look great! I drove 2 escapes today. I fwd 4 cyl and fwd 6 cyl. I liked them both. I love the chrome 17" wheels..beatiful. I like the interior, quitetness. Do not like the steering feel at all. There is a slight delay from when you turn to when it reacts...it's weird..Can anyone explain this? I am considering the escape to replace my wive's 03 crv. I have not driven a 07 crv, but I will to compare. Here in Canada the crv's are overpiced. The lx model is 29k CAD vs 21K US in the states. Exchange rate is almost at par. The price alone turns me off to the crv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 1) Can we quit it with these "(insert rental or dealership) near me has (insert exaggerated number) of (insert model I don't like)" posts? About time someone said this....I have never believed one post that anyone writes that in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Escape is selling well on value and looks. Ford did a great job on both. At least here in Canada, they are priced right and look great! I drove 2 escapes today. I fwd 4 cyl and fwd 6 cyl. I liked them both. I love the chrome 17" wheels..beatiful. I like the interior, quitetness. Do not like the steering feel at all. There is a slight delay from when you turn to when it reacts...it's weird..Can anyone explain this? I am considering the escape to replace my wive's 03 crv. I have not driven a 07 crv, but I will to compare. Here in Canada the crv's are overpiced. The lx model is 29k CAD vs 21K US in the states. Exchange rate is almost at par. The price alone turns me off to the crv. The steering on the new Escape is electric. Some reviewers like it and some don't. I believe the Chevy Malibu has electric steering too and reviews on it are mixed. The benefits are better fuel mileage and performance from engine as hydraulic steering runs off engine. Another benefit is that if your engine stalls, you will still have power steering. From what I have read about Ford's system, Ford has done a better job with steering feel than most. But it is different and takes some time to get used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 What Ford should have done is tap'd Mazda on the shoulder for help with their electric rack, those found in the 3 and RX-8 are pretty damn good efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 I'm amazed that with processor cycles as cheap as they are, the delay in drive by wire & electric power steering is still apparently so noticeable. Although, thinking about electric power steering, there should still be a direct mechanical link between your hands and the wheels of the car--so you should get something out of your initial effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smok Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 I'm amazed that with processor cycles as cheap as they are, the delay in drive by wire & electric power steering is still apparently so noticeable. Although, thinking about electric power steering, there should still be a direct mechanical link between your hands and the wheels of the car--so you should get something out of your initial effort. Car and driver compared the steering to watching a movie when the sound is a split second behind... "We noticed the same feeling when we turned the steering wheel. After giving the wheel a quick yank, there’s a split-second lag before the Escape responds. It makes any attempt at precision driving a psychic exercise, not that we expected the Escape to be a precision driving machine." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 What was wrong with a steering shaft again? I don't like "drive-by-wire" cars any more than I like "fly-by=wire" airplanes. Best not to think about it - I'm flying again next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 2) Whether you think that the '08 Escape is a smoke-and-mirrors botch job (like myself) or the best that Ford could do with what they have, it seems to have worked, at least in conjunction with the incentives of the '07s. It will be interesting to see in August or September (or whenever they run out of '07s) whether the sales level stays the same. A bunch of people are celebrating that the Escape is outselling the RAV-4, but for how long? The Escape leads by only 611 units. I think thats the biggest problem here...people expect Ford to have a totally brand new product every 5 years with every product. This isn't the best Ford could do, but it is pretty damn good...and it seems to be working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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