rmc523 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Richard, if you really think a company with a stock value below $1.00 can get a big loan, you are truly an optimist... ( and yes, I think the stock will go that low.... )The problem with credit is that Ford has already borrowed against all of it hard assets.... Why do you think Ford is in that much trouble? Have you even been reading anything at this site? Ford has several products coming out soon that have the potential to be segment leaders, with other great products following a few years later. Ford at 1$? Can't wait to see what the rest of the market will look like. I know, if you think about it, (and this may have been the point you were bringing up) if Ford stock went to $1, that would mean that they'd actually lose less than other companies.....they may lose the same percentage, but since Ford is at ~$6, they have less to lose than, say Toyota at ~$110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Richard, if you really think a company with a stock value below $1.00 can get a big loan, you are truly an optimist... ( and yes, I think the stock will go that low.... )The problem with credit is that Ford has already borrowed against all of it hard assets.... Were we talking about Ford or GM? Regardless, book value is what banks look at. Not market cap. If YOU think that banks base their decisions on market cap, you are naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 2012 Fusion We all know that's not the 2012 Fusion, but I had to say: Looks surprisingly Australian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sranger Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Were we talking about Ford or GM? Regardless, book value is what banks look at. Not market cap. If YOU think that banks base their decisions on market cap, you are naive. Ye right Richard Banks never look at the stock value before they loan out billions.... Do you really believe what you just said???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) 2012 Fusion We all know that's not the 2012 Fusion, but I had to say: Looks surprisingly Australian. Nah, That's a chop of the Iosis. Our next Falcon is more like this courtesy of Caradvice.com.au Imagine the cabin space of a Crown Victoria in a car slightly bigger than a Fusion. who needs Volvo or Mazda when the Falcon has enough room to do a FWD version if Ford wanted to. That would be a good way to use Fusion I-4 and V6 front ends - they're nearly the same tread width. Edited February 8, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Do you really believe what you just said???? Would a bank loan money to S.C. Johnson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Our next Falcon is more like this IMHO, that is one fine-looking sled. IMHO, it looks way better than a BMW 5-series, which has Bangle-booboos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Who is the instigator again...Thats right...you. not instigating crap....be positive for a change and people may stop jumping on your back....sheesh P...read some of your own posts and try to put the knife down....too many times you have been called out for spouting BS, seems all you are here to do is be negitive and instigate arguments.... Edited February 8, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Nah, That's a chop of the Iosis.Our next Falcon is more like this courtesy of Caradvice.com.au Imagine the cabin space of a Crown Victoria in a car slightly bigger than a Fusion. who needs Volvo or Mazda when the Falcon has enough room to do a FWD version if Ford wanted to. That would be a good way to use Fusion I-4 and V6 front ends - they're nearly the same tread width. Thats pretty nice looking. Reminds me of a Pontiac Grand Prix a bit tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Nah, That's a chop of the Iosis.Our next Falcon is more like this courtesy of Caradvice.com.au Imagine the cabin space of a Crown Victoria in a car slightly bigger than a Fusion. who needs Volvo or Mazda when the Falcon has enough room to do a FWD version if Ford wanted to. That would be a good way to use Fusion I-4 and V6 front ends - they're nearly the same tread width. IMHO, that is one fine-looking sled. IMHO, it looks way better than a BMW 5-series, which has Bangle-booboos. Thats pretty nice looking. Reminds me of a Pontiac Grand Prix a bit tho. I agree, I think it looks good. I don't see much Grand Prix in there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I don't see much Grand Prix in there though. Just the side and back from this view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Just the side and back from this view. I'm still not really seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I'm still not really seeing it. I'm not either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Jeez — why not? It's got 4 wheels and 2 headlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 (edited) Jeez — why not? It's got 4 wheels and 2 headlights. Ok, I think I see it now....they both have mirrors too...and doorhandles. Edited February 11, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Ok, I think I see it now....they both have mirrors too...and doorhandles. I'm seeing a little resemblance around the lug nuts.... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I'm seeing a little resemblance around the nuts.... :P Thats just so wrong...... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Thats just so wrong...... :P Dude, you almost had me there! I have a tendency to think faster than I can type and sometimes leave out words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Dude, you almost had me there! I have a tendency to think faster than I can type and sometimes leave out words. LOL, pretty good wasn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Dude, you almost had me there! I have a tendency to think faster than I can type and sometimes leave out words. I think Tommy Boy has a secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 (edited) I think Tommy Boy has a secret. Nope. I've never hidden the fact that I think you're a git! Edited February 11, 2008 by TomServo92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Nope. I've never hidden the fact that I think you're a git! Touche. Nice seeing it back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Ok, I think I see it now....they both have mirrors too...and doorhandles. Don't forget they both have windows and doors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 (edited) I'm still not really seeing it. Look at the curves near the back, the roof line, the window dimensions and the side panels. Theyre pretty similar. The main difference is that the Ford isn't angled forward like the Grand Prix. Anyway, what Im saying is that this car could sell great, especially since Pontiac is getting rid of the Grand Prix. Theyre replacing it with the G8 which starts at 27k(i think) instead of 19k like the Grand Prix. So if ford were to bring this over to NA and price it in that range theyre should gain a lot of market share, since theyll have a sporty mid priced sedan without much competition (Grand Prix gone). P.S. Ford looks way better IMO BTW bottom panels(sides) and headlights(shape) also look similar Edited February 11, 2008 by ray101988 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Look at the curves near the back, the roof line, the window dimensions and the side panels. Theyre pretty similar. The main difference is that the Ford isn't angled forward like the Grand Prix. Anyway, what Im saying is that this car could sell great, especially since Pontiac is getting rid of the Grand Prix. Theyre replacing it with the G8 which starts at 27k(i think) instead of 19k like the Grand Prix. So if ford were to bring this over to NA and price it in that range theyre should gain a lot of market share, since theyll have a sporty mid priced sedan without much competition (Grand Prix gone). P.S. Ford looks way better IMO I can see a slight bit of resemblance at best. How many Grand Prix's did GM sell anyways? I'm not so sure how a Falcon would do with a better-than-Grand-Prix G8 (which would justify a higher price tag in itself).....but you're right, there will always be customers for the lower-end models as well. I don't think we'll see anything Falcon related for a few years though, until the GRWD (is that the AUS one?) platform is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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