jpd80 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Soooo.....the Taurus did replace the CV...... :reading: Yes but, only for retail sales. Ford are now stuck with a Taurus that won't sell, a Panther they failed to maintain and a Falcon they continue to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 No. The Taurus did not replace the CV. The Taurus replaced the Taurus. The plan all along was to phase out the D101 Taurus in favor of the Five Hundred and Fusion. At the last minute, the Five Hundred was rechristened, not the "Crown Vic" but the "Taurus". Only on BON could you find people arguing that a vehicle named "Taurus" was not intended to replace a vehicle named "Taurus". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 No. The Taurus did not replace the CV. The Taurus replaced the Taurus. The plan all along was to phase out the D101 Taurus in favor of the Five Hundred and Fusion. At the last minute, the Five Hundred was rechristened, not the "Crown Vic" but the "Taurus". Only on BON could you find people arguing that a vehicle named "Taurus" was not intended to replace a vehicle named "Taurus". So I guess there really can be TWO flagship sedans in a lineup and the fact that the 2008 Crown Vic went fleet only simultaneous to the debut of the 2008 Taurus is just a "fluke". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So I guess there really can be TWO flagship sedans in a lineup and the fact that the 2008 Crown Vic went fleet only simultaneous to the debut of the 2008 Taurus is just a "fluke". Nobody said it wasn't the flagship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) No. The Taurus did not replace the CV. I'm talking about last year when Crown Victoria became fleet only. If the Crown Victoria was still retail, it would spoil Taurus sales much worse than this month's 4,000 odd sales. Edited March 11, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman100 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 In 2007, Crown Vic was sporting maybe a $2,000 rebate, vs. $5,000 on a Grand Marquis. Who would give up $3,000 just to get the Ford badging? It was decided a few years ago when the Five Hundred came out that the Crown Vic would be withdrawn. The problem for Ford is most Panther buyers won't buy a Five Hundred, but like Oldsmobile, are leaving Ford entirely. I do cut Ford some slack though, because who wants to buy many of either vehicle when gas is going to $4, and the economy is weakening? It wouldn't bother me because I do a lot of work on my Grand Marquis myself, and I'm very familiar with the vehicle. Most Americans, however, don't even know how to open the hood on their "lifestyle" vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So I guess there really can be TWO flagship sedans in a lineup and the fact that the 2008 Crown Vic went fleet only simultaneous to the debut of the 2008 Taurus is just a "fluke". Gee. Your argument would mean so much if your use of the word 'flagship' was definitive. But seeings how neither the 2007 Crown Vic nor the 2008 Taurus come with Admiral's quarters, the only literal, demonstrable, measurable, quantifiable (as opposed to figurative) meaning for the word 'flagship' does not apply to EITHER vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 In 2007, Crown Vic was sporting maybe a $2,000 rebate, vs. $5,000 on a Grand Marquis. Who would give up $3,000 just to get the Ford badging? It was decided a few years ago when the Five Hundred came out that the Crown Vic would be withdrawn. The problem for Ford is most Panther buyers won't buy a Five Hundred, but like Oldsmobile, are leaving Ford entirely. You're silly. Your first paragraph doesn't make any sense if your second paragraph does, and vice versa. People would rather leave Ford entirely than buy a cheaper and better equipped Grand Marquis? Paragraph one postulates that the Grand Marquis is a cheaper alternative. Paragraph two postulates that Ford customers were leaving entirely because they had NO alternative to the Crown Vic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 No. The Taurus did not replace the CV. The Taurus replaced the Taurus. The plan all along was to phase out the D101 Taurus in favor of the Five Hundred and Fusion. At the last minute, the Five Hundred was rechristened, not the "Crown Vic" but the "Taurus". Only on BON could you find people arguing that a vehicle named "Taurus" was not intended to replace a vehicle named "Taurus". How could you replace the Taurus with a Taurus when there was no Taurus to replace? If they wanted to replace the Taurus with the Taurus, then there would have had to be a Taurus in 2007. There was no Taurus in 2007, therefore the Taurus did not replace the Taurus. Only on BON could the :cheerleader: not understand that very simple fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 How could you replace the Taurus with a Taurus when there was no Taurus to replace? If they wanted to replace the Taurus with the Taurus, then there would have had to be a Taurus in 2007. There was no Taurus in 2007, therefore the Taurus did not replace the Taurus. Only on BON could the :cheerleader: not understand that very simple fact. Actually, there was a 2007 DN101 Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) How could you replace the Taurus with a Taurus when there was no Taurus to replace? If they wanted to replace the Taurus with the Taurus, then there would have had to be a Taurus in 2007. There was no Taurus in 2007, therefore the Taurus did not replace the Taurus. Only on BON could the :cheerleader: not understand that very simple fact. And so if there wasn't a 2007 (there was), moving to another vehicle, would that mean that the 2007 Sport Trac didn't replace the 2005? Only from a and negetard on BON. Edited March 11, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 If they wanted to replace the Taurus with the Taurus, then there would have had to be a Taurus in 2007. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_...&cardist=11 VIN: 1FAHP53U17A193831 Run it through Carfax. It's a 2007 Taurus. QED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Actually, there was a 2007 DN101 Taurus. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_...&cardist=11 VIN: 1FAHP53U17A193831 Run it through Carfax. It's a 2007 Taurus. QED Be careful...you guys might just overload P71s last two neurons with that much information to process... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Be careful...you guys might just overload P71s last two neurons with that much information to process... He has a very common means for dealing with information that 'complicates' his worldview: He ignores it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Be careful...you guys might just overload P71s last two neurons with that much information to process... 2 huh...that means I am twice as smart as you! I thought the Taurus was fleet only for '07. Oh well. The '08 Taurus was still not a replacement for the rental one. If it was...they would have just named the Five Hundred Taurus and not Five Hundred. The name was dead...but big Al got a bug up his butt and made a bonehead decision to bring it back. It didn't work...sales are still down the crapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) The '08 Taurus was still not a replacement for the rental one. And now we're back to arguing that a vehicle named Taurus was not a replacement for a vehicle named Taurus. Tinfoil hat alert!!! Edited March 11, 2008 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 2 huh...that means I am twice as smart as you! That's funny.... I KNEW there was a 2007 Taurus and yet you weren't aware of that "simple fact" and you even opined on the matter despite a void in your knowledge on the subject. As David Boorstin said: The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 If they wanted to replace the Taurus with the Taurus, then there would have had to be a Taurus in 2007. There was no Taurus in 2007, therefore the Taurus did not replace the Taurus. Like, I care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) And now we're back to arguing that a vehicle named Taurus was not a replacement for a vehicle named Taurus. Tinfoil hat alert!!! I'm confused, where does the Fivehundred fit in, wasn't that the replacement for the D101 Taurus? Why can't you just keep the same name for 48 years. Edited March 11, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Gee. Your argument would mean so much if your use of the word 'flagship' was definitive. But seeings how neither the 2007 Crown Vic nor the 2008 Taurus come with Admiral's quarters, the only literal, demonstrable, measurable, quantifiable (as opposed to figurative) meaning for the word 'flagship' does not apply to EITHER vehicle. I thought the term "flagship" was REAL definitive in the "Year of the Car" campaign for the Five Hundread back in 2004-2005. The "term" flagship also seems to be real definitive this year in regards to the Taurus' sister car the MKtauruS for Lincoln. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) I thought the term "flagship" was REAL definitive in the "Year of the Car" campaign for the Five Hundread back in 2004-2005. The "term" flagship also seems to be real definitive this year in regards to the Taurus' sister car the MKtauruS for Lincoln. So what that the Taurus overtook the CV as the "flagship" - the company's best vehicle? It replaced the old Taurus as a large FWD sedan. It didn't replace the CV's place in the lineup - large RWD V8 service sedan. Everyone knows they would have called the 500 the Taurus from the start, if they hadn't decided that it was infeasible to stop production of the old fleet taurus. Edited March 11, 2008 by Noah Harbinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So what that the Taurus overtook the CV as the "flagship" - the company's best vehicle? It replaced the old Taurus as a large FWD sedan. It didn't replace the CV's place in the lineup - large RWD V8 service sedan. Everyone knows they would have called the 500 the Taurus from the start, if they hadn't decided that it was infeasible to stop production of the old fleet taurus. Funny thing is, Ford NEVER intended to call the refresh of the Five Hundred, Taurus. It was a knee-jerk reaction to shitty sales...COMPLETELY last minute. Thats the only way you can justify the '2008 Ford Five Hundred' press releases and the 2008 Ford Five Hundred press photos. Why go to all of that work when you are going to rename it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napoleon Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 He has a very common means for dealing with information that 'complicates' his worldview: He ignores it. Or he responds with a dancing smiley face, the ultimate burn!! :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 He has a very common means for dealing with information that 'complicates' his worldview: He ignores it. To quote John Lennon - Living is easy with eyes closed :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So where does that put them on the list that includes all cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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