5.0L in the new Mustang

[fbmphil]

By the way, the Mustang isn't getting a new V8 till '11 MY.

[Moosetang]

Hmmm

Edited April 27, 2008 by Moosetang

[fbmphil]

of you're nasing that solely off the C&D article, I wouldn't hold it as gospel.

It's the one part they got correct. 5.0 = 2011.

[Blueblood]

By the way, the Mustang isn't getting a new V8 till '11 MY.

 

That sucks, when is Ford gonna hire a second powertrain engineer?

[White99GT]

You keep going on about how the 4Vs are much better performing engines than the 3Vs. You are certainly right about this. The problem is that you, and most people responding to you, seem to forget that the 3Vs were brought out for their fuel economy. While they did get more HP than the 2Vs, they definitely got better MPG than the 4Vs at an equivalent HP.

 

I'm guessing that that's also the same for the 5.0. With more modern engineering, it'll get better MPG than -any- 4.6 or 5.4 at the equivalent HP.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see, at some point in the future, an engine with different valve timing for each of the intakes and exhausts in a 4V engine - better torque at low end (and better MPG), and more free flow at the upper end (and possibly better MPG here, as well).

 

I thought the purpose of the 3V was to provide better than 2V performance for less than 4V cost...and improved emissions. Gas mileage seems to be a toss up between them.

 

2004 Navigator 2WD (4-speed auto)

11/16 http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/noframes/20209.shtml

2005 Navigator 2WD (6-speed auto)

11/17 http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/noframes/21321.shtml

 

The 3V eeking out a little extra mpg thanks to the 6-speed auto.

 

2004 Mustang Mach 1 (5-speed manual)

15/23 http://mustangs.about.com/od/modelyearprof...004-mileage.htm

2005 Mustang GT (5-speed manual)

15/23 http://mustangs.about.com/od/2005/a/2005-mileage.htm

 

The curb weights of the '04 Mach 1 and '05 GT are virtually identical as well, with both coming in around 3,450 lbs. give of or take a few pounds.

[Ford-150]

By the way, the Mustang isn't getting a new V8 till '11 MY.

[chevys]

By the way, the Mustang isn't getting a new V8 till '11 MY.

 

 

I just read the same thing.

[Ford-150]

wait something is fishy about how this was done.....

[chevys]

wait something is fishy about how this was done.....

 

How do you mean? I thought possibly Ford may have leaked something like this in order to find out where the leak may be internally. I know thats a huge long shot but its disappointing non the less.

[Ford-150]

How do you mean? I thought possibly Ford may have leaked something like this in order to find out where the leak may be internally. I know thats a huge long shot but its disappointing non the less.

well it is my HULK like imagination running right now

 

i refuse to believe that Ford would fuck this up more for them

 

your leak idea was exactly what i was thinking since it seems Ford wants to be super secret with everything it does

 

it just doesn't make sense how he was so confident about it being 10' and then a good while later say it was 11'

 

I'm thinking hard right now about all the "insider info" i have read about the new Mustang....i hope i can figure it out

[old_fairmont_wagon]

I do believe that there is prescedent for ford releaseing a new body style before they upgrade the powertrain. My friend's early 90's aero mustang with its 5.0L speaks to that quite well.

[RichardJensen]

OTOH, CY 2010 = MY 2011.

[Moosetang]

OTOH, CY 2010 = MY 2011.

I'm guessing that's where the breakdown in communications between 4cam and his source was. Nice.

[chevys]

Maybe BlueII could look into this as well. Im pretty convinced we will not see the 5.0 until the 2011 MY. What a bummer.

[Ford-150]

well if it is true then WTF Ford

 

doing it with the F-150 which is a truck is one thing....doing it with the Mustang which is a performance car is another

Edited April 28, 2008 by Ford-150

[suv_guy_19]

well if it is true then WTF Ford

 

doing it with the F-150 which is a truck is one thing....doing it with the Mustang which is a performance car is another

 

 

So what should they do then?

[Ford-150]

So what should they do then?

work on getting the Camaro canceled again...

[suv_guy_19]

work on getting the Camaro canceled again...

 

 

Lol. I wish they could have the engine done on time (if this is true), but if it can't be ready it can't be ready. Better to get it right than launch it early and fail.

[Blueblood]

So what should they do then?

 

Bring it out on time which every other company is capable of doing?

[RichardJensen]

Bring it out on time which every other company is capable of doing?

Truly an odd thing to say.

 

"On time" vs. "Late" can only be measured against a set schedule. Since no one here has any idea what the schedule is, it is impossible to say if the 5.0L is "on time" or "late".

 

Besides, I for one would rather that they not artificially accelerate development, in order to bring out a new engine at the same time as a mild body refresh. After all, the Mustang seemingly always was at a power deficit to the F-bodies but made up for it by virtue of a lighter and superior chassis, and IRS not withstanding, I would think that this will still be the case.

[Blueblood]

Truly an odd thing to say.

 

"On time" vs. "Late" can only be measured against a set schedule. Since no one here has any idea what the schedule is, it is impossible to say if the 5.0L is "on time" or "late".

 

Besides, I for one would rather that they not artificially accelerate development, in order to bring out a new engine at the same time as a mild body refresh. After all, the Mustang seemingly always was at a power deficit to the F-bodies but made up for it by virtue of a lighter and superior chassis, and IRS not withstanding, I would think that this will still be the case.

 

Being late with new engines has been a problem with Ford for a long time, I'm sick of hearing we have to wait after a new or re-designed car comes out, it's insulting. The mustang will finally have some stiff competition, being a Mustang fanatic my whole life I was never happy with getting dusted by the F-bods, just because the bean counters of the past made bad decisions doesn't mean it's a tradition to be continued on. Finally we have a real management team and an engine that is on par with the competition with a much lighter chassis, the 2010 will take a beating from everyone if it has nothing but a 300 horse 4.6, there is no excuse for being late, nobody else seems to have these problems, they don't maker excuses, they just get the job done. In this class it is all about bragging rights, if you don't think so, go down to the drag strip and see what the real world is like outside of the net where all people care about is sales numbers and stock prices, nobody gives a rats ass about that garbage on the street or the track. I want the Mustang to be top dog again as it was in the 80's up until the early 90's.

 

When they decided on a year to re-fresh the car and give it more power they had a deadline to keep, there is no excuse for failing once again like Ford powertrain has so many times now. I can only hope this latest "rumor" is BS to throw people off, until then we can only speculate until next spring when it comes out, it's gonna be a long wait. ut I sure as hell know I wouldn't spend a dime on a 2010 Mustang if it has the 4.6, I'll wait for the 5.0 to come out.

Edited April 28, 2008 by Blueblood

[Ford Jellymoulds]

Being late with new engines has been a problem with Ford for a long time, I'm sick of hearing we have to wait after a new or re-designed car comes out, it's insulting. The mustang will finally have some stiff competition, being a Mustang fanatic my whole life I was never happy with getting dusted by the F-bods, just because the bean counters of the past made bad decisions doesn't mean it's a tradition to be continued on. Finally we have a real management team and an engine that is on par with the competition with a much lighter chassis, the 2010 will take a beating from everyone if it has nothing but a 300 horse 4.6, there is no excuse for being late, nobody else seems to have these problems, they don't maker excuses, they just get the job done. In this class it is all about bragging rights, if you don't think so, go down to the drag strip and see what the real world is like outside of the net where all people care about is sales numbers and stock prices, nobody gives a rats ass about that garbage on the street or the track. I want the Mustang to be top dog again as it was in the 80's up until the early 90's.

 

When they decided on a year to re-fresh the car and give it more power they had a deadline to keep, there is no excuse for failing once again like Ford powertrain has so many times now. I can only hope this latest "rumor" is BS to throw people off, until then we can only speculate until next spring when it comes out, it's gonna be a long wait. ut I sure as hell know I wouldn't spend a dime on a 2010 Mustang if it has the 4.6, I'll wait for the 5.0 to come out.

 

I watched some drag racing at the Classic Ford show at Santa Pod last year.

Aussie Capri about to rotate superb.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RNlRBVENSew

 

Edited April 28, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds

[fla.boy]

2010 mustang revealed! car&driver june 08 issue.

Edited April 28, 2008 by fla.boy

[akirby]

In some cases the head tick progresses into sticking valves, which can result in a loss of compression. That is the same issue, and I'm guessing that was your problem as well. What year Aviator?

 

2003.

[02MustangGT]

2010 mustang revealed! car&driver june 08 issue.

 

Uhh yeah "revealed". Yes, some of the cues from this photoshop may be visible on the actual production 2010 Mustang, however, I hardly consider a photoshop a "reveal".