McCain Camp Hiding Palin From Sunday News Shows

[mulewright]

While I agree that the 'outrage' is over the top, and I agree that Obama was not specifically referring to Palin, I do believe the audience made the connection, wrongly, based on their reaction.

 

I think you could say the audience's reaction to the "lipstick" comment was inspired by Palin, given that she and her pitbull comment were the focus of the news for the last week, but Obama was not referring to her. He is the victim of his own supporters.

 

I have a different take on this... I don't believe this was some accidental slip of the tongue, instead it was a calculated risk. Contrary to what many people think, campaigns do not ad lib stump speeches. They decide quite carefully what their candidate will say and the fact that there was considerable talk about this subject on the Democratic web sites following the "hockey mom- lipstick" joke by Palin backs this up. They knew McCain had made the pig joke during the primary so they thought that McCain would be powerless to say anything about it.

 

In political campaigns these days very little happens by accident.

[fmccap]

I have a different take on this... I don't believe this was some accidental slip of the tongue, instead it was a calculated risk. Contrary to what many people think, campaigns do not ad lib stump speeches. They decide quite carefully what their candidate will say and the fact that there was considerable talk about this subject on the Democratic web sites following the "hockey mom- lipstick" joke by Palin backs this up. They knew McCain had made the pig joke during the primary so they thought that McCain would be powerless to say anything about it.

 

In political campaigns these days very little happens by accident.

I agree with this. On the way to work they were talking about this on the radio. The point I have is that we allow this to happen when in reality it means nothing. Where are the real issues instead of this crap. They don't want to talk about those because they are both part of the problem.

[RangerM]

I have a different take on this... I don't believe this was some accidental slip of the tongue, instead it was a calculated risk. Contrary to what many people think, campaigns do not ad lib stump speeches. They decide quite carefully what their candidate will say and the fact that there was considerable talk about this subject on the Democratic web sites following the "hockey mom- lipstick" joke by Palin backs this up. They knew McCain had made the pig joke during the primary so they thought that McCain would be powerless to say anything about it.

 

In political campaigns these days very little happens by accident.

 

I understand where you are coming from, but for me to agree would be to credit them with more than I am prepared to.

 

The whole thing should blow away with the wind.

 

McCain doesn't need such minutiae to defeat Obama.

[RaZor]

Ummmm, does anyone think that Sarah Palin looks LIKE A PIG WITH LIPSTICK? Seems, maybe Mr Obama does. Nice guy, that one, lolol.

 

Picking on a girl!!!!! What a man, what a leader, and not on policy but LIPSTICK, lololol.

 

Now maybe I can be crass, and maybe you can be crass, but should a Presidential candidate be crass?

 

I dunno, you can think he wasn't talking about her, BUT JESSE JACKSON JR says he was. Who am I to argue with the essence of the REVERENDS JACKSONS loins?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! He is a great leader, isn't he fellas!!!!!!

 

Whatch think women are going to see this as? Oh whoa is me, oh whoa is you, oh whoa is us, oh whoa there dudes and dudettes, don't you dare put a piece of tape over the MESSIAHS mouth, we all need to hear his exact, profound, intelligent, EXPERIENCED words, lololololol.

 

It is just to good, I can't believe it!!!!!!! We couldn't have written a script better than this. And besides picking Palin, Mcain hasn't had to do anything yet, hehehehehehe. Just watch what is coming. By the time it is over, even liberals will want Barry..........er, I mean Barack to go away.

 

It looks like you are getting your analysis from highly biased sources as it has been clearly reported in both electronic and print media that Obama hadn't even spoken Palin's name in his speach to the point and that the context was:

 

"John McCain says he's about change, too -- except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics," Mr. Obama told his supporters here. "That's just calling the same thing something different."

 

With a laugh, he added: "You can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change; it's still going to stink after eight years."

 

You either have a lack of comprehension of the spoken, or written, word -- or, are ready to jump at anything, like a true Rep - forget about context. If you have feel real indignation at "picking on a girl", why did you NOT speak up when McCain used the exact same phrase three times when HE WAS directly referring to Hillary?

 

Must be that you are taking a ride on the "Double Speak Express" campaign tour bus of the McCain campaign, eh?

 

We all know why this is happening. Senator Obama said it during his convention acceptance speech in Denver:

 

Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.

 

Small things. Like lipstick. And the Republicans tend get away with it because everyone with barbecue sauce stains on their mouths will, as Scarborough inadvertently admitted, talk about it. . . and pretend that McCain had already uttered the "sexist" remarks, not once - but 3 times before and that sofar McCain/Palin have not addressed the issues - only been in attack (diversion) mode.

[Imawhosure]

It looks like you are getting your analysis from highly biased sources as it has been clearly reported in both electronic and print media that Obama hadn't even spoken Palin's name in his speach to the point and that the context was:

 

 

 

You either have a lack of comprehension of the spoken, or written, word -- or, are ready to jump at anything, like a true Rep - forget about context. If you have feel real indignation at "picking on a girl", why did you NOT speak up when McCain used the exact same phrase three times when HE WAS directly referring to Hillary?

 

Must be that you are taking a ride on the "Double Speak Express" campaign tour bus of the McCain campaign, eh?

 

We all know why this is happening. Senator Obama said it during his convention acceptance speech in Denver:

 

 

 

Small things. Like lipstick. And the Republicans tend get away with it because everyone with barbecue sauce stains on their mouths will, as Scarborough inadvertently admitted, talk about it. . . and pretend that McCain had already uttered the "sexist" remarks, not once - but 3 times before and that sofar McCain/Palin have not addressed the issues - only been in attack (diversion) mode.

 

Ah Razor,

 

As Ranger has so eloquently stated, speeches are NOT ad libbed but written well in advance. He knew exactly what he was doing, and saying, lol. But I also agree with Ranger that this is unimportant and will blow away in the wind for the most part.

 

Let me explain something to you, and everyone else on here about something you should understand. 2/3rds of this stuff is really unimportant to me in the world of politics. I don't post these things because I believe they are important, I post them because I am yanking your chain!!!!!! You see, just as Bush Sr. had it in the bag and gave it to Clinton, it appears turn about is fair play. The only difference is this----------->Bush Sr was NOT a conservative messiah, he was a poor stand in for Ronald Reagan. We knew this as his re-election came up, and I was sooooooo disgusted, I wouldn't vote for him.

 

Now this is FACT, and I am NOT trying to yank anyones chain with this observation----------->If all of you remember, Barack got a pretty good lead in the primarys early on. I am not thrilled with the way either party does its primarys, and if you take a gander at say, Iowa, you should probably agree!!!!

 

Mrs Clinton thought she was to be annointed, and by the time she discovered exactly what was going on and got it together, the primarys were well under way. But what exactly happened? Well, when she did start, Obama started losing states like crazy. The Dems instinctively knew that Mr Obama was going to be a problem, and they were right. Mrs Clinton; while I do not appreciate much of her politics, was by far the better candidate. If she woulda been elected President, even if I didn't like the policys she coulda led.

 

Anyway, the reality is that Mrs Clinton ran out of states and time.

 

And guess what!!!!!! Just like George Senior, the best of the best democrats did not run, because EVERYONE thought it was a slam dunk for Clinton. History has repeated itself as it always does. (that is why we should pay attention to history) But Mcain, he DID pay attention, and when Clinton was not the candidate along with NOT being named the VP running mate, he KNEW that with an extraordinary choice, he could pull it off!!!!! But here was the problem-------------->to make that choice, he had to insure that Mr Obama and the dems looked like fools if they tried to pull Hilly back in, and throw Joe overboard. (or he used some non-descript excuse to quit ((Biden)) so as Mr Obama could change horses mid-stream)

 

Believe you me, you would be surprised what is ready if Hilly joins the fray. And the great thing is------------>they don't have to attack Hilly, they get to attack Mr Obama which is 50% better since he leads the ticket, lolol.

 

By the way, just for your information---------->look up what happened to McGovern when he changed horses, lolol. And all facts point to that as why he could barely win 1 or 2 states.

 

I don't really know how you democrats have managed to screw the pooch this bad, but after watching Bush Sr do it, we all know it is possible, in this case probable, and the best part is that if Mcain gets elected, we will probably have Palin following if she keeps it up!!!!

[Len_A]

I don't really know how you democrats have managed to screw the pooch this bad, but after watching Bush Sr do it, we all know it is possible, in this case probable, and the best part is that if Mcain gets elected, we will probably have Palin following if she keeps it up!!!!

 

Really? From what I'm reading on the Fox News web site, not exactly a liberal news media site, Palin didn't do all that great in her interview with Charlie Gibson (and Fox makes no criticism of ABC or Gibson, either).

 

From http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/11/palin-abc-ready/ :

John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy, unable to describe President Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations and acknowledging she's never met a foreign head of state.

 

Palin said other than a trip to visit soldiers in Kuwait and Germany last year — "a trip of a lifetime" that "changed my life" — her only other foreign travel was to Mexico and Canada. She also said she had never met a head of state and added: "If you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you."

 

and this one's a keeper:

Pressed about what insights into recent Russian actions she gained by living in Alaska, Palin answered: "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

 

From The American Heritige Dictionary: "insight" noun:

1. The capacity to discern the true nature of a situation; penetration.
   
2. The act or outcome of grasping the inward or hidden nature of things or of perceiving in an intuitive manner.
   

Sarah, honey, I don't think Charlie Gibson meant whether Russia was viewable from any point in Alaska.

[fmccap]

He knew exactly what he was doing, and saying, lol.

At least one of them does. It was kind of funny you can tell where she has no clue, she would keep repeating "Charlie" and on the foreign policy she would go into the "Islamic Extremist" fear propaganda and just keep repeating that instead of answering the question.

 

Palin's ABC Interview: Stumped On Bush Doctrine, Seems To Contradict McCain On Pakistan (VIDEO)

Palin tried to circumvent the question. The ABC host attempted to pin her down with a yes or no answer, to which Palin seemed to suggest that it would be an American imperative to make such an un-sanctioned attack.

 

"In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America, and our allies, we must do whatever it takes, and we must not blink, Charlie. In making the tough decisions of where we go, and even who we target. she said.

 

The response, though hardly definitive, seemed to put her at odds with McCain, who has harshly criticized Obama for saying he would target terrorist leaders that are replenishing their ranks in northwest Pakistan.

 

Giuliani and Hannity Spin Palin’s Ignorance By Falsely Claiming She Understood The Bush Doctrine

[Len_A]

At least one of them does. It was kind of funny you can tell where she has no clue, she would keep repeating "Charlie" and on the foreign policy she would go into the "Islamic Extremist" fear propaganda and just keep repeating that instead of answering the question.

 

Palin's ABC Interview: Stumped On Bush Doctrine, Seems To Contradict McCain On Pakistan (VIDEO)

 

 

Giuliani and Hannity Spin Palin's Ignorance By Falsely Claiming She Understood The Bush Doctrine

They can spin it all they want. I stand by an earlier post, where I said she had better be really prepped for the debate. She has far less depth than the McCain camp wants to admit.

[Hemiman]

They can spin it all they want. I stand by an earlier post, where I said she had better be really prepped for the debate. She has far less depth than the McCain camp wants to admit.

 

 

No less than Obama.

[mulewright]

I am not thrilled with the way either party does its primarys,

 

One of the problems with the way the Democrats run their primaries is that one person does not equal one vote.

 

How many delegates an area is given is weighted by whether or not it has "traditionally voted democrat", a traditionally democratic district is given more delegate votes than one that has gone republican before.

Therefore inner city urban votes are worth more than those who vote in a rural area.... it's a classic case of "all animals in the forest are equal, some are just a little more equal than others"

Edited September 12, 2008 by mulewright

[Len_A]

No less than Obama.

At the very least, Obama'a been running long enough to be prepared. Palin can't even make that claim.

[Edstock]

No less than Obama.

Really? Obama has the benefit of a deeper, broader education. Compared to him, Palin's a rube.

[RangerM]

Really? Obama has the benefit of a deeper, broader education. Compared to him, Palin's a rube.

 

Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise. - Francis Bacon

[Mark B. Morrow]

One of the problems with the way the Democrats run their primaries is that one person does not equal one vote.

 

How many delegates an area is given is weighted by whether or not it has "traditionally voted democrat", a traditionally democratic district is given more delegate votes than one that has gone republican before.

Therefore inner city urban votes are worth more than those who vote in a rural area.... it's a classic case of "all animals in the forest are equal, some are just a little more equal than others"

 

 

In some respects it is more representative than the Republican winner take all contests.

[Hemiman]

At the very least, Obama'a been running long enough to be prepared. Palin can't even make that claim.

 

 

Agreed, Palin has not been running for this election as long as Obama.

[Hemiman]

Really? Obama has the benefit of a deeper, broader education. Compared to him, Palin's a rube.

 

 

Explain?

[Ron W.]

I've worked for people with an education, some had the common sense of a rock.

I'll take truth, common sense and a person that says what they mean.

[atomaro]

At the very least, Obama'a been running long enough to be prepared. Palin can't even make that claim.

 

 

PALIN IS NOT RUNNING AGAINST OBAMA...PALIN ONLY NEEDS TO BE CONCERNED WITH LIEBERMAN, NOT OBAMA. She has basically the same amount of time in the dance as the Dem. VP candidate.

Edited September 12, 2008 by atomaro

[mettech]

PALIN IS NOT RUNNING AGAINST OBAMA...PALIN ONLY NEEDS TO BE CONCERNED WITH LIEBERMAN, NOT OBAMA. She has basically the same amount of time in the dance as the Dem. VP candidate.

 

?

:shades:

 

What are you talking about?

[Pioneer]

Interesting article on Palin and McCain.

 

McCain fumbles Palin's record on earmark requests

 

Looks like the Republicans are smart for not allowing her to be interviewed, and looks like there is a pattern of her firing people, or trying to, if she doesn't get her way.

 

Also points to McCain having alzheimer's.

[Floyd Lawson]

Really? Obama has the benefit of a deeper, broader education. Compared to him, Palin's a rube.

“By deeper and broader education”, do you mean:

 

What he learned when he was mentored by known communist Frank Marshall Davis, or

 

From Saul D. Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, Who credits Lucifer as being the first radical saying that he learned from Lucifer, the Prince of Lies, and modeled his writing after Machiavelli or maybe

 

Tony Rezko, a Syrian, felon, slum lord, whose business associate and contributer to Obama's campaign, Al Chaib, another felon. He also was in business with Jabir Herbert Muhammad, son of Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad or could it be...

 

The Rev. Wright, most famous for his anti-American quotes, God damn America, or his racial anti-white Black Theology who bases his beliefs on the teaching of Malcolm X?

[Len_A]

?

:shades:

 

What are you talking about?

I think he has his election years mixed up.

[BlackHorse]

Interesting article on Palin and McCain.

 

McCain fumbles Palin's record on earmark requests

 

Looks like the Republicans are smart for not allowing her to be interviewed, and looks like there is a pattern of her firing people, or trying to, if she doesn't get her way.

 

Also points to McCain having alzheimer's.

 

A politician who fires people that don't agree with her!??? :o :o Say it isn't so! As if that wasn't the status quo, page 1, paragraph 1, chapter 1 in the democrat playbook. What next, we'll all try and pretend the "lipstick on a pig" comment really wasn't about Sarah Palin? It's common knowledge and well known when you go up against the demisocialists that if you're winning or they don't think they can beat you, they start having investigations and looking for ways to fire you. Tom DeLay anyone? This is what happens when you try to deal with crooked ass communists in a respectable manner. They manipulate the system, twist facts, misquote you during ABC news interviews. They do something that they know warrants a response like make "lipstick on pigs" comments that are so obviously intended as an insult to your VP candidate and then like a kid with his hand in the cookie jar think we are all stupid enough to fall for the "I didn't do that, what are you talking about?" routine. Followed closely by "It's not me, it's you."

 

You know the truly sad thing here is for all the posturing and grand standing and verbose speeches you liberals love to make about how smart and enlightend and modern you are, you've got to be some of the dumbest people I've ever met. I couldn't care less if Sarah Palin fired her ex-brother-in-law. I couldn't care less of John McCain used the lipstick on a pig comment first. In the end all that matters to me is that Americans fork over nearly 50% of their income to the government in one form or another. Hundreds of billions of dollars a year are wasted in Washington in nothing short of the biggest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in human history and Barrack Obama has the balls to stand up there and tell me he needs more of my money because the government doesn't have enough? If you're stupid enough to vote for that, don't come around here telling us how enlightened you are. Barrack Obama can kiss my entire ass and when he gets done he can move on to the next conservative person in line who knows better, who knows how full of shit Barrack is and obvioulsy knows a hell of a lot more about votinig for a GOOD president than any liberal moron that dares grace our presence.

 

I especially loved the gun question in Charlie Gibsons interview. You know, the one where ABC purposely edited the film of to misrepresent what Sarah Palin said because they are bunch of moronic in the tank for Barrack liberals? Yeah that one. I mean I can see McCain's problem really. Do you have her sit down with CBS? The same network that knowlingly used false documents about Bush's military career in order to score some kind of political blow against him and got caught at it. Do you have her sit down with NBC, the National Barrack Channel who are so far to the left they might as well change the peacock to a hammer and sickle? No, ABC was about the only one left and now even they have proven they are in the tank for Barrack with a flat out blatant attempt at a lie to disparage Sarah Palin because frankly she scares them to death. At any rate, Gibson of course just has to mention that 70% of Americans favor a ban on semi-auto assalt weapons. A lie!!!!!! The poll he was referring to was about "assault weapons", not "semi-auto assault weapons" because by definition a true assault weapon must also have a full-auto function. Of course he left out the part that the so called 70% of Americans was based on a poll of just 1000 people. A number that is by no means truly represntative of the entire population and depending on where you do your polling you could easily get a 100% in favor of ban espeicially in light of the fact that 95% of Americans don't even know what an assault weapon is. But no matter. No need to be tripped up with a little thing called the truth and accurate facts Charlie, that's not the liberal way.

Edited September 13, 2008 by BlackHorse

[Mark B. Morrow]

Really? From what I'm reading on the Fox News web site, not exactly a liberal news media site, Palin didn't do all that great in her interview with Charlie Gibson (and Fox makes no criticism of ABC or Gibson, either).

 

From http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/11/palin-abc-ready/ :

 

 

 

 

and this one's a keeper:

 

 

From The American Heritige Dictionary: "insight" noun:

1. The capacity to discern the true nature of a situation; penetration.
   
2. The act or outcome of grasping the inward or hidden nature of things or of perceiving in an intuitive manner.
   

Sarah, honey, I don't think Charlie Gibson meant whether Russia was viewable from any point in Alaska.

 

The whole "She is close to Russia" argument is one of the silliest attempts to inflate her record I have heard yet.

 

Palin should be called to explain exactly what part of Russia is viewable from that tiny island off the coast of Alaska. It's not as though they have troops stationed there ready to invade.I would be sure that Gov. Palin has a lot less contact with Russia than Bill Richardson, Janet Napolitano, Rick Perry or Arnold do with Mexico.

[retro-man]

“By deeper and broader education”, do you mean:

 

What he learned when he was mentored by known communist Frank Marshall Davis, or

 

From Saul D. Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, Who credits Lucifer as being the first radical saying that he learned from Lucifer, the Prince of Lies, and modeled his writing after Machiavelli or maybe

 

Tony Rezko, a Syrian, felon, slum lord, whose business associate and contributer to Obama's campaign, Al Chaib, another felon. He also was in business with Jabir Herbert Muhammad, son of Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad or could it be...

 

The Rev. Wright, most famous for his anti-American quotes, God damn America, or his racial anti-white Black Theology who bases his beliefs on the teaching of Malcolm X?

Oh for Christ's sake. Bile, poison, and character assassination. You don't have a thing to say about the issues, do you? And anybody who gets all indignant about the "lipstick on a pig" thing is such a puppet I can't believe it. My god, you've swallowed the whole thing hook line and sinker. There's Rove pulling the strings, and there's you dancing - with your little Charlie McCarthy mouths yapping up and down, up and down, reciting the ventriloquist's lines for him.

 

Guess what, none of us liberals gives a shit anymore about being called liberal - or socialist, or communist, or anything else (BTW, our "Communist" friends, the Chinese, are kicking our asses in GDP growth and volume of trade - spin on that one for awhile assholes.)

 

And one more thing: this whole reverse snobbism thing? We're not buying that anymore either. Sarah Palin comes on like with the Moose Burgers and the Snowmobiles, and you guys are just eating it up. Not an ounce of substance. Yay! She's one of us. Riiiiight. Just like 'W' (born in Connecticut, educated at Harvard, son of a President, grandson of a Senator, member of Skull and Bones) was, with his pickup truck and his Huckleberry Hound fake accent. What a bunch of suckers you are. Like what? You can't be a real American if you don't eat roadkill with ketchup, and if your trailer court wasn't leveled by a tornado at least twice in the last year? Give me a break. What a bunch of idiots.

 

BON right-winger:

 

I don't support McCain for the Presidency, but he's a decent man and he sure as hell deserves better representation than what I'm seeing here.

Edited September 13, 2008 by retro-man