grimesdr Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 (edited) :shades: One of the biggest complaints I have heard from Police departments is the poor traction of the Crown Victoria in Northern climates. So why not offer up the new 2010 Taurus AWD for the Northern climates and the FWD for warmer climates. Also consider removing the Navigation system and replace it with Police computers that have a USB keyboard plugin. Also consider expanding the sync technology to the Police cell phone communications. With the 5 star crash rating it just may also save more officer lifes Also consider the new Ford Focus FWD & AWD cars as the new Police cars Do we have any Artist out there that can render up this picture as a cool looking police car ? Edited January 31, 2009 by grimesdr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastime Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 :shades: One of the biggest complaints I have heard from Police departments is the poor traction of the Crown Victoria in Northern climates. So why not offer up the new 2010 Taurus AWD for the Northern climates and the FWD for warmer climates. Also consider removing the Navigation system and replace it with Police computers that have a USB keyboard plugin. Also consider expanding the sync technology to the Police cell phone communications. With the 5 star crash rating it just may also save more officer lifes Also consider the new Ford Focus FWD & AWD cars as the new Police cars Do we have any Artist out there that can render up this picture as a cool looking police car ? The Crown Vic is crash tested from behind at 80 MPH .. the only car in the world that is .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) :shades: One of the biggest complaints I have heard from Police departments is the poor traction of the Crown Victoria in Northern climates. So why not offer up the new 2010 Taurus AWD for the Northern climates and the FWD for warmer climates. Also consider removing the Navigation system and replace it with Police computers that have a USB keyboard plugin. Also consider expanding the sync technology to the Police cell phone communications. With the 5 star crash rating it just may also save more officer lifes Also consider the new Ford Focus FWD & AWD cars as the new Police cars Do we have any Artist out there that can render up this picture as a cool looking police car ? Because FWD sucks, AWD is heavy and expensive, the Crown Vic already boasts 5 star safety rating so it is as safe if not safer then a Taurus, departments re-use most of the add in equipment such as computers so installing a Ford brand new computer in every vehicle would be costly and might not match up with what each Department already has (plus, that is a really small screen). If you are concerned about Officers safety why would you put them in a Focus? Ford already has the best vehicle for Police service. But I understand that the newest D3 can't fail again, so instead of taking sales from other manufacturers, they will resort to stealing sales from one of their own. Edited March 20, 2009 by Cocheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ute Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 One of the biggest complaints I have heard from Police departments is the poor traction of the Crown Victoria in Northern climates this quote is totally wrong you can get the locker rear ...which gives you amazing traction in snow and ice ..also you can order the traction control option ...both these options are heavily ordered by the Leo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The Crown Vic is crash tested from behind at 80 MPH .. the only car in the world that is .... Do you have a reference to prove that, because I seem to recall, it failed high speed (over 60 ?) rear collisions, even with some of the retro fit gas tank shielding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 (edited) The Crown Vic is crash tested from behind at 80 MPH .. the only car in the world that is .... The Falcon has also been rear crash tested but its fuel tank is located forward of the rear axle. The test was to determine where the spare tire ended up after the crash. Edited April 3, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 The Falcon has also been rear crash tested but its fuel tank is located forward of the rear axle.The test was to determine where the spare tire ended up after the crash. I think he meant the Crown Vic is the only one to be tested at 80MPH that passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think he meant the Crown Vic is the only one to be tested at 80MPH that passed. Because the gas tank would rupture and set fire like this: LINK to Crown Vic Rear Crash Tests Ford had to fix that or they would have lost the police market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscalzo Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I had one of my Crown Vic's hit in the read by a drunk on the highway at well over 60mph. The car was reduced to a crumpled wreck. the trunk was pushed to the back seat and the car did not leak any fuel. Most of the fire problems were from the placement of tools in the truck puncturing the tank. Fires and dropped to almost zero after Ford issued instructions how to store items in the truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Because the gas tank would rupture and set fire like this:LINK to Crown Vic Rear Crash Tests Ford had to fix that or they would have lost the police market. To the best of my knowledge, they did fix "the problem". They installed axle shields on all PI units, as well as offering kevlar lined trunk compartments, and fire suppression systems. They also set out to inform Police Departments on how to properly store equipment in the truck so that it wouldn't puncture the gas tank. However, the fires aren't what we are talking about. While it's sad that some people lost their life as a result of the fire, the reality is the vehicle protected them during the collision. In almost any other vehicle, including the Taurus, the occupants would have be killed by the impact and the fire wouldn't have mattered. Now that the fire issues have been resolved (I'm sure any car that gets rammed at 80 mph has a chance of catching on fire), the Crown Vic is back to being one of the safest vehicles on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 The CV was modified for these additional safety needs. Modifications included but were not limited to a fire suppression system. To say that a Taurus could not be modified in the same way is shortsighted. You're comparing apples to oranges, and the apple tree hasn't even blossomed yet. The oranges while ripe, are gonna need to be eaten soon 'cause they're starting to rot. Ford has been modifying the CV for years to fit the needs of the PDs. I'm sure they would do the same to the Taurus. The reliability on both cars is (presumeably) good, but the durability is the bigger question. Again, I'm sure Ford would upfit these cars with sturdier parts in the appropriate areas. I do think the AWD would be a huge advantage, especially in the northern states... And please don't start talking about a rear wheel drive with TC and a limited slip axle as being the ideal car in the snow. The Taurus will have a larger trunk and back seat. I don't know how hard it would be to remove the center console, or at the least, reduce the bulk of it. 80 MPH rear impact tests aside, I'm sure the Taurus is the far superior car in crash situations. 30 years of technology shouldn't be brushed aside so quickly. I think the Taurus would make an excellent police vehicle.... The problem is, I don't want to see it happen. I don't want to cringe every time I see one the way I do when I see a CV's headlights in my mirror. I want to enjoy the Taurus, not fear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscalzo Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 fire suppression system That was a high priced option. the other modifications were incorporated into the production and retrofitted to existing units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 The Trooper survived this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewq4b Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) :shades: One of the biggest complaints I have heard from Police departments is the poor traction of the Crown Victoria in Northern climates. So why not offer up the new 2010 Taurus AWD for the Northern climates and the FWD for warmer climates. Anyone that belives that really has no clue I live in Edmonton Alberta the largest most northern city in NA. RWD is pretty much used exclusivly by the PD's here and the further north you go the the higher the percentage of RWD are driven by the public in general. FWD is absolulty deadly on slick roads with no where near the controllibilty or stabilty of RWD. There is more to winter driving than start up traction on LEVEL surfaces up to medium depth snow and that is the ONLY situation where FWD has an advantage in every other situation of winter driving RWD is superior. Matthew Edited August 28, 2009 by matthewq4b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Anyone that belives that really has no clue I live in Edmonton Alberta the largest most northern city in NA. RWD is pretty much used exclusivly by the PD's here and the further north you go the the higher the percentage of RWD are driven by the public in general. FWD is absolulty deadly on slick roads with no where near the controllibilty or stabilty of RWD. There is more to winter driving than start up traction on LEVEL surfaces up to medium depth snow and that is the ONLY situation where FWD has an advantage in every other situation of winter driving RWD is superior. Matthew and AWD trumps both..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stap man Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 :shades: One of the biggest complaints I have heard from Police departments is the poor traction of the Crown Victoria in Northern climates. So why not offer up the new 2010 Taurus AWD for the Northern climates and the FWD for warmer climates. Also consider removing the Navigation system and replace it with Police computers that have a USB keyboard plugin. Also consider expanding the sync technology to the Police cell phone communications. With the 5 star crash rating it just may also save more officer lifes Also consider the new Ford Focus FWD & AWD cars as the new Police cars Do we have any Artist out there that can render up this picture as a cool looking police car ? Please......The 2010 Ford Taurus as a police car replacement? of the Crown Vic.....In my personal opinion is one of the biggest mistakes the the top brass @ Ford Motor Company HQ can do. I'm sure if the Crown Vic was built in the U.S. all this nonsence wouldn't be happening????? Eh! untitled.bmp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Cal Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) It's all set to happen but the next gen PI won't be out until January of 2012, making it a 2013 MY. Chevy will have a whole year on it by then, if not more as it's due out in a couple months (late 2010 CY). I wasn't a big fan of the Taurus-based PI but have softened a bit. I'll wait to see the final product. I've read lots on it, mostly hype, but with AWD and 285hp, this large sedan could do very well especially in the snow belt. Better yet, the Taurus-based Explorer PI could be the fleet deal of the century. It'll offer the extra utility (duh) of an SUV while being close in price to the sedan making it several thousand cheaper than the only other pursuit-rated SUV: the RWD only Tahoe. That behemoth not only costs more, but is far less fuel efficient and ungainly compared to what the new Explorer could be plus it will offer AWD in a pursuit-rated SUV. We might see lots of the Explorer PIs around if Ford keeps costs as reasonable as the Taurus PI. Not only that, but service technicians will need to work on only one kind of drivetrain lowering training costs of mechanics. The drivetrain parts would be identical too - oil, belts, tires, wheels, brake pads, brake discs, etc. I'm not expecting many police/sheriff's agencies to spend the extra bucks on the ecoboost V6. It'll likely be a couple thousand dollar option, which won't be worth it to bean counters when the NA V6 will be a better performer in every way compared to the current CVPI with the 4.6L V8. Edited July 4, 2010 by T'Cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscalzo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 this quote is totally wrong you can get the locker rear ...which gives you amazing traction in snow and ice ..also you can order the traction control option ...both these options are heavily ordered by the Leo's Ours sucked in the snow. Unless they were all retrofitted with dedicated snow tires the standard all weather would bog down. Being right outside NYC, snow wasn't an issue all that much but in heavy storms the CV's were restricted to well plowed areas and the Explorers, Deranges and Tahoe's were sent into the outlying areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Ford pretty much admitted that they were going to do a "Police Interceptor" version of the new Explorer (same platform as the Taurus. I'll bet the cops would take the Explorer almost every time and the municipalities might agree if the price difference is not too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Cal Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Ours sucked in the snow. Unless they were all retrofitted with dedicated snow tires the standard all weather would bog down. Being right outside NYC, snow wasn't an issue all that much but in heavy storms the CV's were restricted to well plowed areas and the Explorers, Deranges and Tahoe's were sent into the outlying areas. I agree. The CVPIs are not good in the snow and the RWD Tahoe with A/S tires was worse. The Impalas weren't much better because when the driving tires would slip, there went your steering too. The AWD Tahoes are much better of course but, man, do they feel heavy and huge in dry weather! They feel underpowered too compared to the RWD vehicles and they suck fuel. The AWD Taurus and Explorer could be the perfect compromise offering a large, quick, fuel efficient, balanced, all-weather vehicle. I'm hopeful. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 You're comparing apples to oranges, and the apple tree hasn't even blossomed yet. The oranges while ripe, are gonna need to be eaten soon 'cause they're starting to rot. That's quotable. :stats: and AWD trumps both..... But "real drivers" don't need AWD, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I agree. The CVPIs are not good in the snow and the RWD Tahoe with A/S tires was worse. The Impalas weren't much better because when the driving tires would slip, there went your steering too. The AWD Tahoes are much better of course but, man, do they feel heavy and huge in dry weather! They feel underpowered too compared to the RWD vehicles and they suck fuel. The AWD Taurus and Explorer could be the perfect compromise offering a large, quick, fuel efficient, balanced, all-weather vehicle. I'm hopeful. We'll see. Don't believe a word he say's. He only posts in topics where he can bash the Panthers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Cal Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) Don't believe a word he say's. He only posts in topics where he can bash the Panthers I call bulls#it! Liar, liar, pants on fire!! I have posted numerous posts supporting the CVPI and the most negative things I've said have been that Ford didn't update them to keep them in production longer and that they get poor traction in inclement weather. How is that bashing??? In addition, I'm the former owner of a Marauder, which I lament selling. Ford could've kept that car around longer if they had pulled the expensive 4V DOHC engine and replaced it and the antiquated 4 speed auto with the Mustang"s cheaper-to-build 3V SOHC V8 and 5 or 6 speed autos. They could've used this drivetrain in the CVLX Sport and CVPI, too. Facts are facts: 1. Ford has announced that the CVPI is dead after the 2011 model year. Deal with it. 2. The Panther is dead. Deal with it. 3. The Taurus-based PI is its replacement. Deal with it. 4. The Taurus-based PI has real potential to be a better police vehicle in many respects compared to the CVPI including balance, FE, straightline performance, handling, traction, safety, etc. Deal with it. Edited July 30, 2010 by T'Cal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpatrick90 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Facts are facts: 1. Ford has announced that the CVPI is dead after the 2011 model year. Deal with it. 2. The Panther is dead. Deal with it. 3. The Taurus-based PI is its replacement. Deal with it. 4. The Taurus-based PI has real potential to be a better police vehicle in many respects compared to the CVPI including balance, FE, straightline performance, handling, traction, safety, etc. Deal with it. Couldn't have said it any better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Facts are facts: 1. Ford has announced that the CVPI is dead after the 2011 model year. Deal with it. 2. The Panther is dead. Deal with it. 3. The Taurus-based PI is its replacement. Deal with it. 4. The Taurus-based PI has real potential to be a better police vehicle in many respects compared to the CVPI including balance, FE, straightline performance, handling, traction, safety, etc. Deal with it. agreed, 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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