Reigner92 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I don't think that style will sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I don't think that style will sell. explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 The Camry looks fat and bulbous, like the Mazda 6's chubby sister. The Taurus is much more athletic looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Anyone else notice that the 80s era 'floating' Ford badge is back? I think it's kind of a neat touch but not to everyone's tastes. I wonder how far Ford can afford to drift their styling towards Camry and other Japanese cars? Most people would accept the cars have to look a little more like those competitors but keeping a link with previous models is helpful in convincing the buyer true evolution is happening, not just immitation. I'll add that I think this is a good compromise in achiving some pretty difficult targets, a major change in styling direction and providing a link to future models, all while keeping Toyota honest. Edited December 21, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I think it's kind of a neat touch but not to everyone's tastes.I wonder how far Ford can afford to drift their styling towards Camry and other Japanese cars? Most people would accept the cars have to look a little more like those competitors but keeping a link with previous models is helpful in convincing the buyer true evolution is happening, not just immitation. I'll add that I think this is a good compromise in achiving some pretty difficult targets, a major change in styling direction and providing a link to future models, all while keeping Toyota honest. I hate to break it to yah, but most people don't think very much in the first place :P If it's price competitive, it should sell very well :yup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I think it's kind of a neat touch but not to everyone's tastes.I wonder how far Ford can afford to drift their styling towards Camry and other Japanese cars? Most people would accept the cars have to look a little more like those competitors but keeping a link with previous models is helpful in convincing the buyer true evolution is happening, not just immitation. I'll add that I think this is a good compromise in achiving some pretty difficult targets, a major change in styling direction and providing a link to future models, all while keeping Toyota honest. Why would you want to keep any of the current styling to the new one. Isn't that why it faltered. If they did, then it would be suicide. Ford had to completely overhaul the style if they want to compete. I can't see why you would make that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Why would you want to keep any of the current styling to the new one. Isn't that why it faltered. If they did, then it would be suicide. Ford had to completely overhaul the style if they want to compete. I can't see why you would make that statement. Please show how keeping any of the previous car's styling would be suicide. I think the car faltered because of Ford's advertising department but agree, the styling didn't help. It's been said on here before, you just can't go from Bold American to European kinetic or the new Ford styling language half way through a product cycle. It is the job of this car to move the styling in that direction. Edited December 21, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fords#1Fan Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Hmm the rear end is a little different. the exhaust is kinda in the middle of the the bumper. Edited December 21, 2008 by Fords#1Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Pony Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 *dons flame retardant suit* Um, were the designers who came up with the next generation Fusion not available? Because that is a very nice looking car. This new Taurus looks like an Camry mated with a late 90's Chrysler Concord and threw on of those cheesey chrome side scoops on for good measure. I guess, like the '10 'Stang I need to wait to see it in person before passing judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I have a really strong feeling the new Taurus is going to change a lot of opinions when they see it in person. The MKS has a great presence in person and on the road, I expect the Taurus to be similar in the regard. While it does look reminiscent of the current Camry, as has been already stated the Camry is bloated and misproportioned in person, as well as cheap looking. I do see a lot of the Falcon in the new Taurus as well; I'm sure that car was more of a design inspiration than the Camry was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I do see a lot of the Falcon in the new Taurus as well; I'm sure that car was more of a design inspiration than the Camry was. I wish it was a little more like the Falcon... You can't have too much of a good thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) It's interesting to see how the design has evolved since the clay model was photographed. Are you referring to this (attached) clay model? Perhaps it's the other way around. The leaked photo might have been a "sport" model with the new pic being the base model. I think you're right - as evidenced by the wheels, black mirrors, and lack of foglamps. Edited December 21, 2008 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fords#1Fan Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 The MKS has a great presence in person and on the road I saw a MKS in person Today :D I liked it in Pics but seeing it in person made me like even more really nice car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I saw a MKS in person Today :D I liked it in Pics but seeing it in person made me like even more really nice car. They do look quite good in person. I'm wondering if the Taurus will look as big as the MKS does though on the road. I'm not necessarily saying that's bad....really I'm just wondering more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I do see a lot of the Falcon in the new Taurus as well; I'm sure that car was more of a design inspiration than the Camry was. I guess Ford NA looked at the styles being presented elsewhere, all large cars go through approval at the one place, Large Vehicle Development Center in Detroit so it stands to reason most look at what the other guy is doing. Falcon could go either way after 2013, the decision to keep the I-6 may well have been strategic to save money, rather than change to V6 as a MCE. If FoA switch to Taurus/FWD large car post 2013 then maybe the style switchover won't be a huge change at all. I do like the way the Taurus is heading with styling especially with this MCE, it seems to have more of an international flavour now so perhaps we'll see it exported to Asia - maybe as a FoE flagship? Edited December 21, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 If FoA switch to Taurus/FWD large car post 2013 then maybe the style switchover won't be a huge change at all. That would be terrible, terrible news. I'm still holding out hope for a GRWD miracle, Blue II did state a while back that the next Taurus was going rwd. :fingers crossed: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Please show how keeping any of the previous car's styling would be suicide. I think the car faltered because of Ford's advertising department but agree, the styling didn't help. It's been said on here before, you just can't go from Bold American to European kinetic or the new Ford styling language half way through a product cycle. It is the job of this car to move the styling in that direction. Well, lets see. What would suicide mean to me?? The so called media would hack into into it like a freshly cooked prime rib because it would be called a continuation of blandness. But lets look at the sales. the sales tell ya what people thought of it. And sales by the end of this year will probably be no more than 70,000 units. so that's what tells me it would be suicide to keep any styling cues from the previous models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 That would be terrible, terrible news. I'm still holding out hope for a GRWD miracle, Blue II did state a while back that the next Taurus was going rwd. :fingers crossed: where is this RW drive idea coming from for the Taurus, it's not even in the books for this to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Ford are at the crossroads and are terrified of repeating GM's Zeta debacle. If only they'd realise that Falcon can live along happily in AUS and just import a few for the diehard RWD fans in the USA as performance partner for the Mustang and luxury version for Lincoln (MKR). Irrespective of end goals, Falcon will always be a niche vehicle - and a damned good one at that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Well, lets see. What would suicide mean to me?? The so called media would hack into into it like a freshly cooked prime rib because it would be called a continuation of blandness. But lets look at the sales. the sales tell ya what people thought of it. And sales by the end of this year will probably be no more than 70,000 units.so that's what tells me it would be suicide to keep any styling cues from the previous models. This is a MCE so you're not going to be able to completely eliminate all of the styling due to top hat structure, the high roof line for one has to stay so that in itself is a stand out feature of the old car. Also look at the rear quarter shot, there's still a lot of the old 500 and Taurus there although subdued. Blue II was echoing the GRWD project which FoA were starting but then was halted as the US economy was tanking and oil prices skyrocketed. The best that can be hoped for is that Falcon stays a regional program for now, rumors are Ecoboost I-4 studies are continuing. Computer emissions modelling has shown cheap ways to upgrade the I-6 to Euro 4/5/6 and possibly EPA. hopefully this will give Ford NA something to think about if dollars are tight for a GRWD. Edited December 21, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesituations Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 This is a MCE so you're not going to be able to completely eliminate all of the styling due to top hat structure, the high roof line for one has to stay so that in itself is a stand out feature of the old car.Also look at the rear quarter shot, there's still a lot of the old 500 and Taurus there although subdued. Blue II was echoing the GRWD project which FoA were starting but then was halted as the US economy was tanking and oil prices skyrocketed. The best that can be hoped for is that Falcon stays a regional program for now, rumors are Ecoboost I-4 studies are continuing. Computer emissions modelling has shown cheap ways to upgrade the I-6 to Euro 4/5/6 and possibly EPA. hopefully this will give Ford NA something to think about if dollars are tight for a GRWD. I can see what you're saying now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 That would be terrible, terrible news. I'm still holding out hope for a GRWD miracle, Blue II did state a while back that the next Taurus was going rwd. :fingers crossed: Me thinks it was melded in during the time of the great "what direction will the next Taurus take" when news of Global Rear Wheel Drive platform was discussed. Taurus should remain front drive with all wheel drive options....any rear drive development should take place for....<shudder> sorry to bring up her name....<speaking in a low whisper>Panther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I can see what you're saying now That's OK, sometimes I don't explain myself fully. :shades: Me thinks it was melded in during the time of the great "what direction will the next Taurus take" when news of Global Rear Wheel Drive platform was discussed. Taurus should remain front drive with all wheel drive options....any rear drive development should take place for....<shudder> sorry to bring up her name....<speaking in a low whisper>Panther If Ford does their plans right, there's room for both but Taurus/FWD car will be volume product and Falcon/Panther/RWD will be retained as niche specific. The most expensive parts are power train, suspension and electrical. If those are shared between several vehicles the whole thing is viable. In that instance, there's no real need for a Global RWD platform, divisions can do their own specific. Edited December 21, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Good ol' GRWD speculation, AU will get D3, same as everyone else. Taurus should remain front drive with all wheel drive options....any rear drive development should take place for....<shudder> sorry to bring up her name....<speaking in a low whisper>Panther :happy feet: Edited December 21, 2008 by Armada Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 There have been enough confirmed mule sightings at this point to say it's almost a certainty. I think the only question is whether or not it will bear the SHO moniker. Silver SHO, (3.5 eco-boost, still like Twin-Force better for performance model) to show itself at NAIAS. With the SHO wheels and tires this car is awesume!! I thought Interceptor, (two years ago concept) when I say this beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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