Blueblood Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Um care to back that up? Back what up? that it doesn't come with Brembo's or even larger rotor's at least? Do I really need to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Back what up? that it doesn't come with Brembo's or even larger rotor's at least? Do I really need to? No where the Current Taurus has issues with its braking power Does it really need it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Sup, Why are we giving this poster child for birth control any cred here. LMAO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I just don't get why they didn't upgrade the brakes, sporty cars costing 10k less come with nice stuff such as Brembo's, and the brakes on the pedestrian version have had complaints, with all that power they are using the same brakes?? SHO Performance Package Performance Brake Pads, EPAS Calibrated Steering, ESC Track Mode/True Off, 3.16 Final Drive Ratio, 20" Premium Painted Wheels with Performance Summer Tire Compound & Tire Mobility Kit4,5 Though the werid thing is that you can't get the SHO Performance package on the 402A quick spec that has bunch of additional options on it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Though the werid thing is that you can't get the SHO Performance package on the 402A quick spec that has bunch of additional options on it.... I thought the 402A Quick Spec included the Sport Package? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) No where the Current Taurus has issues with its braking power Does it really need it? Every review I've seen on new Ford's they complain about the brakes, they added 100 horsepower and torque to the car, yet changed nothing else, didn't beef up the brakes which is pretty much SOP in the car world when you add big power. Even the cheaper Hyundai Genesis with the track pack has big brakes with Brembo calipers. It's just a cheap oversight, and a safety issue. Edited April 2, 2009 by Blueblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I thought the 402A Quick Spec included the Sport Package? Nope its grayed out...I think its something to do with the adaptive cruise control http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...t=0&start=0 Anyone know what size the 20 inch tires are going to be? I checked Tirerack and if you get 255/45 20inch tires, they are cheaper then the 255/45 19 inch tires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Every review I've seen on new Ford's they complain about the brakes They haven't driven the New Taurus yet...have they? The 2010 Mustang stops fine vs its competition...haven't seen anyone bitch about 2010 Fusion brakes nor the Focus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Every review I've seen on new Ford's they complain about the brakes, they added 100 horsepower and torque to the car, yet changed nothing else, didn't beef up the brakes which is pretty much SOP in the car world when you add big power. Even the cheaper Hyundai with the track pack has big brakes with Brembo calipers. It's just a cheap oversight, and a safety issue. The last review I recall seeing any complaints about brake performance was on the first year Edges. And that seems to have been addressed also. And slapping a name brand on something (Brembo) doesn't necessarily mean they are better. The Brembo rotors on 99-04 Cobras were far more prone to warping than the Ford-branded ones used from 94-98. :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Anyone know what size the 20 inch tires are going to be? I checked Tirerack and if you get 255/45 20inch tires, they are cheaper then the 255/45 19 inch tires! I believe I saw the 20's were 245/45's. I remember it striking me as strange that the 20" tires were narrower....I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 SHO Performance Package Performance Brake Pads, EPAS Calibrated Steering, ESC Track Mode/True Off, 3.16 Final Drive Ratio, 20" Premium Painted Wheels with Performance Summer Tire Compound & Tire Mobility Kit4,5 Though the werid thing is that you can't get the SHO Performance package on the 402A quick spec that has bunch of additional options on it.... Yea, with the "performance package" you get upgraded pads, which means they start to fade a little later, but they still fade and can't perform like the car is being marketed. It might stop great the first time, but after that it's Fred Flinstone time. I have the same problem with my Focus, I put some Hawk HPS's on it which work great, until they overheat and the car won't stop, however, the SVT Focus brakes with OEM pads don't have that problem. Why do you think the GT500 has 14" front rotors with 4 piston Brembo's? For the looks? Heck it would have been parts bin, I would pay more for them from the factory. It's just always been a pet peeve of mine, my first car was a Fox Mustang, I know what it's like to have worthless, dangerous brakes, so I've always felt cars should have reserve braking power, especially performance oriented cars. Ford got it right on the SVT vehicles, but other than that they seem to engineer them to be "just good enough". Some of the cars that came out around the beginning of this decade had best in class brakes, the Escape and the Focus being two of them, and we all remember what happened to the brake performance on the newer Escape, it performs worse than the original. I just feel that the first time we see a review on a twisty mountain road the car will get hammered for the brakes, I don't want that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Every review I've seen on new Ford's they complain about the brakes, they added 100 horsepower and torque to the car, yet changed nothing else, didn't beef up the brakes which is pretty much SOP in the car world when you add big power. Even the cheaper Hyundai with the track pack has big brakes with Brembo calipers. It's just a cheap oversight, and a safety issue. What Hyundai are you comparing to? What is the weight difference between these vehicles? What is the actual difference in braking performance (distance in feet.)? I've seen vehicles even with performance pads/rotors do worse, slightly better/worse and significantly better. So with your comparison, I just want see the actual difference your keep refering to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUCKRACER Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/editorial...ho-me-the-money This guy is a collosal idiot. FoMoCo's camry-killing sedan is the FUSION and it is doing a pretty good job of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 And with that, Skape's post as POTW? Anyone? POTW goes to bon mots--pithy and hilariously table turning quips such as: "The local Chevy dealer has a Camaro on their front lawn" "What? Up on blocks already?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Brake performance is a function of several things: Pad materials Pad Size Rotor size Rotor Material Tire characterists (compound, contact patch, size) ABS tuning Vehicle weight Vehicle suspension (governing weight transfer under braking) The SHO changes: Pad materials Tire Characteristics Vehicle Suspension likely also makes changes to the ABS tuning as well This only leaves Rotor size and materials and pad size and vehicle weight as largely unchanged. Changing the pad materials also changes how they interact with the Rotor materials, so, there's another ratio in there as well. With half of the components of braking performance changed, I'd say that until we see a real track or road test of the SHO, no one outside of the testers, knows for sure how its brakes work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 LMAO! P's mum called...she wants to know if taking the morning after pill; for more than 20 years has any side effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 P's mum called...she wants to know if taking the morning after pill; for more than 20 years has any side effects? why don't we ask P's dad... OtisFordSucks! hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 POTW goes to bon mots--pithy and hilariously table turning quips such as: "The local Chevy dealer has a Camaro on their front lawn" "What? Up on blocks already?" I don't care who you are, that's funny - Larry the Cable Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Yea, with the "performance package" you get upgraded pads, which means they start to fade a little later, but they still fade and can't perform like the car is being marketed. It might stop great the first time, but after that it's Fred Flinstone time. I have the same problem with my Focus, I put some Hawk HPS's on it which work great, until they overheat and the car won't stop, however, the SVT Focus brakes with OEM pads don't have that problem. Why do you think the GT500 has 14" front rotors with 4 piston Brembo's? For the looks? Heck it would have been parts bin, I would pay more for them from the factory. It's just always been a pet peeve of mine, my first car was a Fox Mustang, I know what it's like to have worthless, dangerous brakes, so I've always felt cars should have reserve braking power, especially performance oriented cars. Ford got it right on the SVT vehicles, but other than that they seem to engineer them to be "just good enough". Some of the cars that came out around the beginning of this decade had best in class brakes, the Escape and the Focus being two of them, and we all remember what happened to the brake performance on the newer Escape, it performs worse than the original. I just feel that the first time we see a review on a twisty mountain road the car will get hammered for the brakes, I don't want that to happen. Since no one has tested the 2010 SHO at this time, it would seem you are jumping to a conclusion based in part on some review you read on some Ford and your experience with a Fox Body Mustang which has been out of production since at least 1993. I don't want to step on your negative vibe too much but why not wait until someone tests the SHO before you complain about the brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Since no one has tested the 2010 SHO at this time, it would seem you are jumping to a conclusion based in part on some review you read on some Ford and your experience with a Fox Body Mustang which has been out of production since at least 1993. I don't want to step on your negative vibe too much but why not wait until someone tests the SHO before you complain about the brakes. Indeed. But I must say, I had a 1990 Mustang GT Vert. I had to pump the brakes as if I were trying to keep a tempo. Seriously, it was that bad :yup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 but why not wait until someone tests the SHO before you complain about the brakes. There you go again, with your gawddam reasonable logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 There you go again, with your gawddam reasonable logic. Yeah I get that a lot. I guess it's a character flaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Yeah I get that a lot. I guess it's a character flaw. hell Mark, ever heard of spellcheck.....its FLOOR.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 hell Mark, ever heard of spellcheck.....its FLOOR.... Le Flur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 (edited) P_71: "My loaded crew cab Silverado with the 5.3 and 3.42 rear gears gets the same mileage as my previous Ford Crown Vic with a 4.6 V8 and 3.27 rear gears." A bold faced lie... Edited April 3, 2009 by White99GT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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