jpd80 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Let's see..... Everything mortgaged..........check! No credit...........................check! All current credit lines used...check! Volvo isn't worth much.........check! Mazda isn't worth much........check! Real estate market tanked.....check! There are only three options I see. Sell more stock to use for operating capitol. This will not go over really well on Wall St. Stock price will plummet. So, then you have two other options: So why did the price go form $2.00 to nearly $6.00 recently? If Ford is as bad off as you say, surely the market would be turning it back I'll tell you why it went up: A better than expected quarter result $9.9 Billion of debt retired $21.6 billion cash in hand Selling more stock is exactly what they should do, it's the perfect way to retire debt. Edited May 17, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Look, I'm not saying it IS going to happen. I am not saying it WILL happen. All I am saying is it COULD happen. And, if you can't see that possibility, please tell me what type of hallucinogenic drug you're on, because it sounds better than anything I have tried to date. Then why parrot that is going to happen? Ford is in much better shape then the other two which is a huge plus. We know that it could happen, but we don't need be reminded by a negative Nancey that it might. We might all die tomorrow, but why worry about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Then why parrot that is going to happen? I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying that it could happen. Put down the kool-aid and the pom-pom's, take a step back, and look at the situation. You'll see I'm right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying that it could happen. Put down the kool-aid and the pom-pom's, take a step back, and look at the situation. You'll see I'm right. Yes, it could happen. I could get struck by a loose Elephant in the middle of High St downtown tomorrow, as the circus is in town. It could happen, but under current situations, it is not likely in the immediate future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 immediate future. Exactly. 1Q/2Q 2010 is not in the immediate future. And look both ways before you cross the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I remember seeing an interview on Autoline Detroit TV with Jim Farley He said that Ford looks at housing sector and pricing there helps them gauge the market. “Man on Wire” And this from Bloomberg: Home Starts, Leading Index Probably Rose: U.S. Economy Preview An easing in the housing slump, now in its fourth year, is an essential element of most forecasts for an economic recovery later this year. Rising stock prices and improving consumer confidence are among the components of the leading index that are stoking speculation the economy will begin to grow again in the next six months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Yes, it could happen.I could get struck by a loose Elephant in the middle of High St downtown tomorrow, as the circus is in town. It could happen, but under current situations, it is not likely in the immediate future. Or get stuck in a lift with T-Stag for 12 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Or get stuck in a lift with T-Stag for 12 hours I'd rather get hit by the elephant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I'd rather get hit by the elephant. Argee. I'm sure that the elephant woulnd't bore me to death with talk of Jaguar/Land Rover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 17, 2009 Author Share Posted May 17, 2009 Argee. I'm sure that the elephant woulnd't bore me to death with talk of Jaguar/Land Rover. Unlike with Tstag, your death would be quick and painless.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 I'd rather get hit by the elephant. I would like to see T-Stag get squashed in a lift by an elephant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Really, ford is not competely mortaged now because of the debt swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Has anyone ever put an elephant on an elevator? --- BTW: Yes, if the economy gets significantly worse, Ford has to borrow from the gov't, but that's not likely to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) They don't have to sell more vehicles, they just have to get the mix of product sales right for improvement.If they increase private vehicle sales , those vehicles usually have more profit attached to them than fleet. Sustainability has to do with making profit off every vehicle sold, where have we heard that before? I disagree. If Ford is not profitable at their current annual production volume (and they are not) then they either need to make significant fixed cost cuts (nothing "significant", like another plant closing, in the wind) or cut variable costs (cheapen the product; not a good idea) or increase the price of their product (some truth there) or increase the volume. Yes, simply increasing the volume can produce more profit as fixed costs stay fixed and some variable cost typically come down do to discounting on higher parts volume. Edited May 18, 2009 by theoldwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) Has anyone ever put an elephant on an elevator? Sounds like the new GM corporate theme. I go four, three, two, oneI go one , two, three, four Then I push this little button and I open the door Then I close it right away cause there's no room for more I'm the elephant elevator operator. Edited May 18, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) German is funny!!!!! Sesamstraße der elefantfahrstuhlführeraufzugsleiter Edited May 18, 2009 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 German is funny!!!!! Sesamstraße der elefantfahrstuhlführeraufzugsleiter for those not fluent, in a nutshell this is perhaps a reason for their defeat in the war....breifly translated that means "FIRE"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 for those not fluent, in a nutshell this is perhaps a reason for their defeat in the war....breifly translated that means "FIRE"...... But I thought that "elefantfahrstuhlführeraufzugsleiter" meant Opel in German. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 But I thought that "elefantfahrstuhlführeraufzugsleiter" meant Opel in German. You know, I wonder what the GM playbook looks like in German? Where's PREMiERdrum? 1) Import opels 2) ? 3) Profit We need that put into German :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 The GMNA play book is: 1) Overproduce 2) ? 3) Profit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 The GMNA play book is: 1) Overproduce 2) ? 3) Profit That's true too, but PREMiERdrum would always pull out something similar to what I posted every time a new vehicle was rumored to be based on an Opel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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