stormwatcher Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Has anyone heard any rumors about FORD wanting to open the contract again to try to get more concessions similar to what GM agreed to? Anyone have a copy of GM's concessions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTPwife Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 There's supposed to be a meeting in Detroit Wednesday, at least that's the only rumor I've heard & I would'nt be at all surprised if it's a meeting to discuss concessions ala GM & Chrysler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Yes, I heard the same, they want more concessions to match that of GM and Chrysler. As to what the specifics are, not known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Heard they want a no-strike concession for the same ammount of years as the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Heard they want a no-strike concession for the same ammount of years as the others. i suspect the uaw called the meeting so they can opt out of any national health care requirements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Ford has every right to expect a contract similar to what GM and Chrysler have including the "no strike" clause. The UAW leadership also knows it is "the right thing to do" in order to keep Ford competitive. Rank and file obviously won't like giving anything up, but in the end why would they want to "kill the goose" that has kept them employed and has the best chance of long term survival ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Rank and file obviously won't like giving anything up, but in the end why would they want to "kill the goose" that has kept them employed and has the best chance of long term survival ? Obviously you haven't seen some of the people on here....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Why would they worry about killing the goose? After all, Ford is profitable. Why would they want to agree to give up more of anything to a profitable ocmpany? If they do so, will we then have to endure another few years of whining on here about how the rank and file got screwed and the management is still sitting fat and happy and the family is raking in the profits because the rank and file had to bend over and take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Why would they worry about killing the goose? After all, Ford is profitable. Why would they want to agree to give up more of anything to a profitable ocmpany? If they do so, will we then have to endure another few years of whining on here about how the rank and file got screwed and the management is still sitting fat and happy and the family is raking in the profits because the rank and file had to bend over and take it? Ford is profitable? Yes, they managed a paper profit in Q2. They still had an operating loss of several hundred million dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Its partly about fairness as well. If there is a union, in my opinion, then every company under it should get the same contract...besides inst that the point of a union, to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Ford is profitable? Yes, they managed a paper profit in Q2. They still had an operating loss of several hundred million dollars. Woah there Nick!!! These are labor union contract negotiations we're talking about here. There's no sense in trying to go an inject some sort of reality into them. You'll just confuse everyone. Ford reported a profit for the quarter, therefore there is no need for more labor concessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Thats ok because all you have to do is look at the employee forum. There were a few who are calling for a strike of Ford, since they are now profitable................ so they should get a bunch of perks back. Oh yea, a bunch of them also believe that Mulally sucks, and should be getting $1 a year. It is so scary to read that section, that I only do so occassionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Its partly about fairness as well. If there is a union, in my opinion, then every company under it should get the same contract...besides inst that the point of a union, to be fair. There are more then just autoworkers in the UAW. So that won't work. And while the 3 are all UAW. You have UAW/GM, UAW/Chrysler and UAW/Ford. All three are in different water. And your right, The Union does do what is "fair" to the worker and the company combined. (This was evident in the last consessions that we, The UAW/Ford members passed) It was primarily all giveback's. It passed with the best interest of the company as a whole. We will see in time if there are more consessions in black & white or by the media. Until then, Rumor's are just waisting bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Paint Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Ford has every right to expect a contract similar to what GM and Chrysler have including the "no strike" clause. The UAW leadership also knows it is "the right thing to do" in order to keep Ford competitive. Rank and file obviously won't like giving anything up, but in the end why would they want to "kill the goose" that has kept them employed and has the best chance of long term survival ? Ford has every right to expect concessions form 'retired salary' on par with what the unions have given up the last couple rounds. 'Retired salary' knows it is "the right thing to do" in order to keep Ford competitive. They may not like giving up a significant portion of their pension, but in the end why would they want to "kill the goose" that pays their gold plated pension. It's time for retired salary to put their money where their mouth is, and start campaigning Ford to slash their pensions. Same as the union keeps opening up legally binding contracts to help out the company. It would be "the right thing to do" Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Pattern bargaining works both ways less people..or less money. it's pretty simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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