Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Trailblazer 2009 November sales 8715 Terrible comparison considering the last plant that produced them closed about a year ago. The last Chevrolet TrailBlazer rolled off the Moraine line on December 16, 2008, a week before the plant's closure. The closing of the last factory that manufactured the trucks was the subject of a 2009 HBO documentary “The Last Truck: Closing of a G.M. Plant”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Trailblazer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Terrible comparison considering the last plant that produced them closed about a year ago. Um no shit shirlock...the point I was making was the Traverse pretty much replaced the Trailblazer in Chevy's line up and sold slightly better numbers then the Trailblazer did. And the Traverse is pretty much the same thing the upcoming Explorer is going to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You know the answer to this one. Explorer: Dedicated platform with minimal shared components Flex/Taurus: Shares platform and many components with MKS, MKX, Edge, Upcoming Explorer... Yep. I know the answer, and I accept why the Explorer in its current form is being discontinued. But, if people are going to throw around numbers, and call things failures because sales don't reach said number, I am going to throw them back into peoples faces to show how stupid they are to make such a statement. Oh, and for the record, the Flex and future Explorer is on D4. Current Edge/MkX is on CD3 and the 2010 Taurus is still on D3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Yep. I know the answer, and I accept why the Explorer in its current form is being discontinued. But, if people are going to throw around numbers, and call things failures because sales don't reach said number, I am going to throw them back into peoples faces to show how stupid they are to make such a statement. Oh, and for the record, the Flex and future Explorer is on D4. Current Edge/MkX is on CD3 and the 2010 Taurus is still on D3. You sure about that one? I thought it made the switch to D4 with the 2010 redesign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Um no shit shirlock...the point I was making was the Traverse pretty much replaced the Trailblazer in Chevy's line up and sold slightly better numbers then the Trailblazer did. And the Traverse is pretty much the same thing the upcoming Explorer is going to be Compare the Taurus X/Freestyle to the current Explorer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You sure about that one? I thought it made the switch to D4 with the 2010 redesign? This is correct... Taurus is D4 starting in 2010, along with MKS, MKT, and New Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You sure about that one? I thought it made the switch to D4 with the 2010 redesign? I still have you blocked. I don't know why I chose to view your post. I promise it wont happen again. The 2010 Ford Taurus is based on the same platform and chassis as the 2009 Lincoln MKS, sharing the refinements and handling improvements the MKS brought to Ford’s D3 architecture. http://www.themustangnews.com/carnews_09/0...0taurus-172.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) This is correct... Taurus is D4 starting in 2010, along with MKS, MKT, and New Explorer. Not according to the article I quoted, unless the MkS is already on D4. I didn't look that one up Edited January 4, 2010 by Pioneer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 According to Wiki, MkS is on D3. Correct me with a link if I am wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_MKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Not according to the article I quoted, unless the MkS is already on D4. I didn't look that one up MKS was the first to be on D4 (has been since it was introduced)... 2010 Taurus/Flex/MKT are also on D4. D3 only underpins the Edge/MKX currently. EDIT: Looking for link... I know that I've read that, and it has been discussed here... EDIT 2: I believe the major change from D3 to D4 was the front suspension set up and making changes up front for EcoBoost V6. I think that most publications thought that it was a "revised" D3 instead of the D4 monikor it earned with the MKT/Flex. The MKS platform uses significantly revised and re-engineered front and rear suspensions compared to its S80 and Taurus ancestors. Its engine is a 3.7-liter version of the 3.5-liter Duratec V6 and MKS will be among the first to get Ford’s Turbocharged, Direct Gasoline Injection engine that it calls EcoBoost. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/05/26/462815.html Edited January 4, 2010 by PREMiERdrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Not according to the article I quoted, unless the MkS is already on D4. I didn't look that one up MkS and the Flex were the first on D4. Thats why until this past year, MkS's rolled down one line at Chicago and taurus's on the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 MkS and the Flex were the first on D4. Thats why until this past year, MkS's rolled down one line at Chicago and taurus's on the other. Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Link? I believe the major change from D3 to D4 was the front suspension set up and making changes up front for EcoBoost V6. I think that most publications thought that it was a "revised" D3 instead of the D4 monikor it earned with the MKT/Flex. The MKS platform uses significantly revised and re-engineered front and rear suspensions compared to its S80 and Taurus ancestors. Its engine is a 3.7-liter version of the 3.5-liter Duratec V6 and MKS will be among the first to get Ford’s Turbocharged, Direct Gasoline Injection engine that it calls EcoBoost. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/05/26/462815.html Edited January 4, 2010 by PREMiERdrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Neither will the Flex, and probably the Taurus too. Guess they are both failures and should be discontinued too, huh? You'd guess wrong, like you did predicting the failure of Ford stock at $2.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I believe the major change from D3 to D4 was the front suspension set up and making changes up front for EcoBoost V6. I think that most publications thought that it was a "revised" D3 instead of the D4 monikor it earned with the MKT/Flex. Your probably right. Most publications don't keep up on chassis designations. I just haven't seen D4 in anything I have read so I thought they were waiting for the next major redesign to move it. Doesn't matter anyway. It didn't sell 50,000 copies this year, so according to numbers discussed earlier, it must be discontinued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You'd guess wrong, like you did predicting the failure of Ford stock at $2.00. You don't see the sarcasm in my statement, do you? And yep. I predicted Ford would fold. Glad I was wrong. I played around with my TESPHE account and made a bundle, and still have a job. Sucks to be me, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Your probably right. Most publications don't keep up on chassis designations. I just haven't seen D4 in anything I have read so I thought they were waiting for the next major redesign to move it. Doesn't matter anyway. It didn't sell 50,000 copies this year, so according to numbers discussed earlier, it must be discontinued. D4 had to be made because D3 couldnt handle the 3.5 EB which off course had to be made when Ford decided not to use the yahama V8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 D4 had to be made because D3 couldnt handle the 3.5 EB which off course had to be made when Ford decided not to use the yahama V8. Like I said, I read D3 everywhere. Seems a lot of editors have their work cut out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 You don't see the sarcasm in my statement, do you? And yep. I predicted Ford would fold. Glad I was wrong. I played around with my TESPHE account and made a bundle, and still have a job. Sucks to be me, I guess. I'm so sorry..... I didn't see the sarcasm, I thought you were having a dig. I wasn't thinking Explorer was wrong , Ford moving to D4 where it could survive and provide more certainty for CAP by boosting production there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Like I said, I read D3 everywhere. Seems a lot of editors have their work cut out for them. They do...hae when they get even easy things wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I still have you blocked. I don't know why I chose to view your post. I promise it wont happen again. http://www.themustangnews.com/carnews_09/0...0taurus-172.htm Well, I still don't understand why you have me blocked in the first place....... MKS was the first to be on D4 (has been since it was introduced)... 2010 Taurus/Flex/MKT are also on D4. D3 only underpins the Edge/MKX currently. EDIT: Looking for link... I know that I've read that, and it has been discussed here... EDIT 2: I believe the major change from D3 to D4 was the front suspension set up and making changes up front for EcoBoost V6. I think that most publications thought that it was a "revised" D3 instead of the D4 monikor it earned with the MKT/Flex. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/05/26/462815.html Edge/MKX are on CD3s, not to be confused with D3/4 or the Fusion triplet's CD3 platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Okay: 1) Bronco is a non-starter. Not enough people want one. You want to rail against the failure of the auto industry to serve the 'long tail', fine by me. You're just wasting your time. 2) There is no official D4. The '08 Taurus had a major change to the front subframe, the '09 MKS & Flex had a major change to the rear suspension. The combined upgrades have been termed D4 by, basically, this board and a few blogs. But there is NO D4. 3) The Edge/MKX are nominally CD3, but share almost no chassis/suspension/frame components with the Fusion/Milan/MKS. The Edge/MKX are derived from the Mazda MPV which was derived from the Mazda6. Hence the slim familial relationship used to justify the CD3 designation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Oh, I agree with you to an extent. I've felt all along that with Ford's new, modern powertrains and an upgraded interior and exterior that the Explorer would sell a lot better. The problem is, though, that it's on it's own platform, so it still can't share a lot of parts with the rest of the lineup - that, I feel, is a big, if not the biggest reason for Explorer moving to D3/4, not so much that Ford wants to make it FWD/AWD. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that economies of scale killed the BOF Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that economies of scale killed the BOF Explorer. Not to mention the market moving away from BOF style SUV's and moving to more fuel effenct car-based CUV's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 So any sales results yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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