Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Shirts

[akirby]

Now I understand the problem - you think telling someone to change their shirt or do something else is punishment. It's not. Locking kids in their classroom for their own protection isn't punishment either. It's called protecting our children.

[akirby]

Well you certainly began responding on this thread as if you agreed with the administration and that the students wearing the flag shirts were the ones to blame.

 

I did, because I assumed the administrator had legitimate reasons. The article that was posted later confirmed that he did not so I reversed my position and I said so over and over and over again.

[NickF1011]

Now I understand the problem - you think telling someone to change their shirt or do something else is punishment. It's not. Locking kids in their classroom for their own protection isn't punishment either. It's called protecting our children.

 

Making a student change his shirt and sending him/her home from school if they do not is punishment, especially when said shirt should not be considered offensive or threatening to anybody in this country.

Edited May 11, 2010 by NickF1011

[goinbroke2]

Roadtrip, you flatter me Sir...LOL!

 

Just a dumb tank mechanic who worked his way high enough in the food chain to be a babysitter behind a keyboard. Yeah I've got technically 7 civilians (unionized) working for me right now. You learn quickly how to adapt to each ones needs, to get the most out of them. Right now I'm rewording the purchase order for one of them. The PO is for renting 4 limo's for the funeral service of PO2 Blake who died Saturday. It's a fastball and will cost $8200, legally we have to go to public works if it's over $5000 but I authorized the funds and will wear it during audit time.

 

I guess the point is, I have white and black, male and females, and they are all treated equal here. They all know I will back them if their straight with me and they know they won't get preferential treatment for any reason. If you step on your dick (so to speak) I'll hammer you for it. You do well, I'll commend you for it. I look at the job and your performance, the rest is bullshit.

If the (place minority here) is the one that screwed up, they get hammered just as much as a non minority. Same goes if a non minority screws up.

 

I've been in too many situations where my ass was saved by someone else. That's when you really realise that we are not white/black or male/female, we're all green.

Edited May 11, 2010 by goinbroke2

[akirby]

I'm done. It will be far easier and less painful to go bang my head against a brick wall.

[NickF1011]

I'm done. It will be far easier and less painful to go bang my head against a brick wall.

 

I sure hope a school administrator keeps you from doing that. It may be perceived as a threat to other types of walls who may be incited to riot as a result.

[akirby]

I sure hope a school administrator keeps you from doing that. It may be perceived as a threat to other types of walls who may be incited to riot as a result.

 

Good one......

 

[Monkey]

As far as I know, that isn't correct. That is only true for the Province of Quebec, where French must have at least equivalent prominence. There is a small amount of key information that must be given in both official languages, but not the entire label.

 

http://www.gattiassociates.com/CM/Articles/Articles1295.asp

http://www.olf.gouv.qc.ca/english/charter/title1chapter7.html

 

Edit: I just did some checking, and most company comply with both regulations. There are a couple though, that don't comply with the Quebec law.

All product sold in Canada must have ingredients, instructions and warnings in both official languages.

Now as for the students this thread was about the school was wrong, if there was a disturbance it should have been dealt with by those actions not by the clothes someone was wearing(gang colors an exception). If you have a problem with people displaying their countries flag within their own borders maybe you shouldn't be in that country.

Steve

[suv_guy_19]

All product sold in Canada must have ingredients, instructions and warnings in both official languages.

 

That isn't true:

 

From the source:

 

in most cases it is only the mandatory product identity and net quantity declarations which must be shown in French and English,

 

http://www.bureaudelaconcurrence.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/01248.html#2.1.2Language

 

It's common practice, but it isn't necessary for all of the items you mentioned.

Edited May 12, 2010 by suv_guy_19

[goinbroke2]

Way to pick flyshit out of pepper. :rolleyes:

 

If I'm a large corporation who is packaging product, I'm going to find out the country's rules and follow them. If the rules say all but this or that except in this province etc I'm going to standardise and do all the same. Hence the "common practise". Yes you are right, it might not be mandated in every case (at this time) but as a large corporation, they are not going to do minimal necessary and then watch the rule book for changes.

 

For all intents and purposes bilingualism is mandated in all provinces at the federal level, N.B. is the only bilingual province and quebec is french.

 

"It is a waste of money" was the original point and holds true. Doubling anything increases costs. Whether it's right or wrong is a seperate issue.

 

Go to quebec and speak english and see how you make out. (and yes I lived there so don't give me any bullshit about "oh they love the english")

[goinbroke2]

Oh and just to add, for sales of spirits, it HAS to be bilingual. (found that a while back checking labelling requirements as part of a business plan I'm doing)

[suv_guy_19]

Oh and just to add, for sales of spirits, it HAS to be bilingual. (found that a while back checking labelling requirements as part of a business plan I'm doing)

 

That's because it's alcohol....and go to Montreal and speak English. You'll do just fine.

[Edstock]

Oh and just to add, for sales of spirits, it HAS to be bilingual. (found that a while back checking labelling requirements as part of a business plan I'm doing)

Indeed, for Canada, French has to be on the lable. However, if you are not selling into Québec, remember, nobody said the French had to be correct. :happy feet:

 

A couple of years ago, I was reading the side panel of a Sunlight laundry detergent box, and I noticed that the English had a grammatical error, even though it's an "Anglo" company. The French, however, was correct.

[mikem12]

 

 

You have the right to freedom of speech in public but you can't say things that incite a riot.

 

I must differ with you. The Westboro baptist church does just that. They protest and US servicemans funerals hoping to elicit a response from the crowd attending the funeral so they can sue the city/state for not protecting them. This is AMERICA you have the right to freedom of expression, it doesn't stop at the court house steps or agt the school. To me the best aswer is if it isn't a recognized US Holiday it shouldn't be supported by the schools. Remember diversity is derived from the word devide and thar is what the libs are doing.

 

If they want celebrate the 5th of May let'em go to Mexico. Trouble is this, it is considered less than a minor holiday there. Like Arbor day here.

[akirby]

I must differ with you. The Westboro baptist church does just that. They protest and US servicemans funerals hoping to elicit a response from the crowd attending the funeral so they can sue the city/state for not protecting them. This is AMERICA you have the right to freedom of expression, it doesn't stop at the court house steps or agt the school. To me the best aswer is if it isn't a recognized US Holiday it shouldn't be supported by the schools. Remember diversity is derived from the word devide and thar is what the libs are doing.

 

If they want celebrate the 5th of May let'em go to Mexico. Trouble is this, it is considered less than a minor holiday there. Like Arbor day here.

 

I detest what those idiots are doing at funerals, but I can't say that falls under "inciting a riot". I also never said the school should support anything.

[goinbroke2]

See my last line, I lived in quebec for a while and I did go into montreal which is predominately english. I was practising my french and was told "don boocher my language, speak me in "henglish".

 

Just got our first translation of a SOW back.....oh isn't this great.

 

Now remember, instead of going to public works in Halifax, everything over $25,000 must be translated into french (done in quebec of course) at a cost of 50cents a word. We just received a $1923.00 document with the following;

 

NOTE: In spite of the fact that the documents have been translated or revised by the translation bureau, the OPI is fully responsible for the content and quality of the translated text, IAW DAOD 5039-4 Obtaining Documentation in Both Official Languages: "Quality assurance: The OPI is responsible for the linguistic quality and accuracy of the content in both official languages."

 

Now my problem is, I go over every word and ensure that it is clear and concise and the intent is clear. This takes considerable time in english and I have called the AJAG (army lawyers) to get clarification on some wording. However, this is in french and there are no french people in my office. I'm now running around to find someone who not only is fluent in french, but also understands how to read a SOW and the ramifications of it being worded wrong. In other words, in english it says "shall be minimum .040" metal" and in french it says "should be minimum .040 metal" That difference in shall/should is enough to leave DND open for lawsuits. We just had one in CFB Greenwood where the person writing the SOW allowed an outside contractor "use of facilities to effect repairs" Unfortunately they meant the outside contractor could use the hanger to work in if it rained. What happened was the contractor needed a ladder, used a DND one, fell got hurt and sued. And because of the ambiguous wording, won.

 

And yet I'm sole responsible for wording in a language that I can't read??? WTF did I pay $2000 for??

 

Bilingualism sounds great and gives a warm and fuzzy feeling, but in the real world it blows chunks! (kinda like the socialism you love so much)

 

Maybe someday you'll get your info from the real world and from experience, instead of relying on the internet.

 

 

 

<back to work...WTF is "responsable de nettoyer immediatement le site touche"?>

Edited May 13, 2010 by goinbroke2

[suv_guy_19]

Bilingualism sounds great and gives a warm and fuzzy feeling, but in the real world it blows chunks! (kinda like the socialism you love so much)

 

Bilingualism is like anything else. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't....and I'm not a socialist, but hey, I don't expect you to understand something as complex as different political ideologies

[mettech]

You're absolutely correct - if they were in PUBLIC. Kids can do a lot of things in public that they can't do in school - including peaceful demonstration.

 

I don't know why you guys seem hell bent on turning this into a patriotic/freedom of speech issue when it's clearly about school safety.

There was no concern about "offending anyone" - there was concern about starting a fight or even a riot.

It's already been acknowledged that there were no such concerns or history of previous problems so the administrator overstepped on this one and I'm ok with that now that we know the background.

 

You have the right to freedom of speech in public but you can't say things that incite a riot.

 

 

The base of our country is to be able to protest no matter the outcome.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t51dEyGf2_U

[Mark B. Morrow]

The base of our country is to be able to protest no matter the outcome.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t51dEyGf2_U

 

Hates Illinois Nazis.

[grbeck]

Hates Illinois Nazis.

 

Illinois Nazis drive Pinto wagons, if I recall correctly.

 

And jilted fiancees who use flamethrowers and bombs drive 1977 Pontiac Grand Prixes.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Illinois Nazis drive Pinto wagons, if I recall correctly.

 

And jilted fiancees who use flamethrowers and bombs drive 1977 Pontiac Grand Prixes.

 

[after a burst of gunfire from the Mystery Woman, Jake climbs to his feet, covered in mud from the tunnel floor]

 

Jake: It's good to see you, sweetheart.

 

Mystery Woman: You contemptible pig! I remained celibate for you. I stood at the back of a cathedral, waiting, in celibacy, for you, with three hundred friends and relatives in attendance. My uncle hired the best Romanian caterers in the state. To obtain the seven limousines for the wedding party, my father used up his last favor with Mad Pete Trullo. So for me, for my mother, my grandmother, my father, my uncle, and for the common good, I must now kill you, and your brother.

 

[Jake falls to his knees]

Jake: Oh, please, don't kill us. Please, please don't kill us. You know I love you baby. I wouldn't leave ya. It wasn't my fault.

 

Mystery Woman: You miserable slug! You think you can talk your way out of this? You betrayed me.

 

Jake: No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.

 

[Elwood covers his head in anticipation of more gunfire, Jake removes his sunglasses to make a wordless appeal, and the Mystery Woman visibly softens]

 

Mystery Woman: Oh, Jake... Jake, honey...

[Jake embraces the Mystery Woman and they kiss]

Jake: [to Elwood] Let's go.

 

[He drops the Mystery Woman and walks off]

 

Elwood: [to the Mystery Woman as he steps past her] Take it easy.

[BB390fe]

Greatest. Movie. EVER. (ok, maybe Star Wars but....) What the heck is going on???

This is the first time I have seen Mark B. Marrow and grbeck agree on Anything.

Could the Blues Brothers be the secret to world peace?

 

News at 11

[Bored of Pisteon]

Illinois Nazis drive Pinto wagons, if I recall correctly.

 

And jilted fiancees who use flamethrowers and bombs drive 1977 Pontiac Grand Prixes.

 

You forgot that they also drive LTD station wagons too!

 

 

How can you not forget that! :slap:

[RangerM]

Could the Blues Brothers be the secret to world peace?

 

They're on a mission from God.

[Bored of Pisteon]

They're on a mission from God.

 

 

I can't believe 30 years have gone by... Just can't believe it.

Edited May 17, 2010 by Bored of Pisteon