Ford's own website teases "Explorer SHO"

[V8-X]

My father's Explorer was the '94 in my signature that was passed down to me. It was an ill-mannered rattling pig of a vehicle.

And to each their own. My opinion differs.

 

I don't want to derail this topic. Simply thought I'd provide my opinion, based on my likes/dislikes after having a good deal of time to thoroughly inspect the Explorer. Only had 10-15 minutes each time prior to go over the car.

[Deanh]

The wife currently drives a '04 Altima 3.5L. She wants AWD, which the Explorer would work, but she too dislikes the Explorer style. She much prefers the style of the Flex.

 

And many of my thoughts on the Explorer, are coming from a family that has owned at least one of each Generation Explorer. (1 Gen I, 2 Gen II, 1 Gen III models)

the you must agree the current iteration is head and shoulders above previous iterations in EVERY aspect...capabilities, efficiency, content, comfort, dynamics, NVH, fit, finish....the ONLY area it may/ may/ not compete would be towing capacity....

Edited February 23, 2011 by Deanh

[Deanh]

And to each their own. My opinion differs.

 

I don't want to derail this topic. Simply thought I'd provide my opinion, based on my likes/dislikes after having a good deal of time to thoroughly inspect the Explorer. Only had 10-15 minutes each time prior to go over the car.

and your obvious bias is showing, remember V8, this is your wifes car not yours...lol...what exactly are HER wants...I dont think Rock crawling is one of them, witness what she drives NOW.

[V8-X]

the you must agree the current iteration is head and shoulders above previous iterations in EVERY aspect...capabilities, efficiency, content, comfort, dynamics, NVH, fit, finish....the ONLY area it may/ may/ not compete would be towing capacity....

Capabilities disagree. Efficiency agree and disagree (see below). Content agree (but then again, look at the price now for all those features), Dynamics agree, NVH agree, fit/finish agree.

 

The off-road capabilities of this new Explorer are not up to par with the Gen I or II models. Towing is not up to the Gen III model. The sheer width and weight of this vehicle compromises it's capabilities too. But hey, it's plush with fancy features.

 

Efficiency is improved, but with the added weight/size, mpg's could have been better if they didn't balloon the size so much.

 

But then again, every new model improves in all those area's I agreed upon. The area's of efficiency and capabilities aren't always improved from one model to the next, and with the Explorer, they declined or were stagnant.

 

and your obvious bias is showing, remember V8, this is your wifes car not yours...lol...what exactly are HER wants...I dont think Rock crawling is one of them, witness what she drives NOW.

Yes this is my wife's vehicle, and no she doesn't need a rock crawler, just a good 5-7 passenger AWD or 4WD CUV/SUV to haul the three kids. For me, the capabilities are the biggest deterrent. For the wife, it's the style.

 

The wife has loved the style of the Flex from day one, where as she's stated the new Explorer blends in with the crowd. She liked the uniqueness of the Altima when we bought it in 2004, as not many other cars looked like it when it debuted in 2003. The Explorer, is to much the same old style that most other manufacturers are pushing out and does not interest her one bit.

Edited February 23, 2011 by V8-X

[PREMiERdrum]

Another good note from across the interwebs...

 

Explorer was designed with the EB3.5 in mind, it wasn't available at launch because they didn't think they'd have adequate supply of the engines. It's coming.

 

Also, the SportTrac is "cruising" through development, and should be on the lots within a few years. The SHO powertrain will be in this as well, with 400HP and a "Lightning" or "Adrenalin" badge.

 

The Lincoln Explorer variant is greenlit as well, and will slot below the MKT, which is "moving further upmarket" with the MCE and next gen due to the much higher than anticipated ATP.

[Deanh]

Capabilities disagree. Efficiency agree and disagree (see below). Content agree (but then again, look at the price now for all those features), Dynamics agree, NVH agree, fit/finish agree.

 

The off-road capabilities of this new Explorer are not up to par with the Gen I or II models. Towing is not up to the Gen III model. The sheer width and weight of this vehicle compromises it's capabilities too. But hey, it's plush with fancy features.

 

Efficiency is improved, but with the added weight/size, mpg's could have been better if they didn't balloon the size so much.

 

But then again, every new model improves in all those area's I agreed upon. The area's of efficiency and capabilities aren't always improved from one model to the next, and with the Explorer, they declined or were stagnant.

 

 

Yes this is my wife's vehicle, and no she doesn't need a rock crawler, just a good 5-7 passenger AWD or 4WD CUV/SUV to haul the three kids. For me, the capabilities are the biggest deterrent. For the wife, it's the style.

 

The wife has loved the style of the Flex from day one, where as she's stated the new Explorer blends in with the crowd. She liked the uniqueness of the Altima when we bought it in 2004, as not many other cars looked like it when it debuted in 2003. The Explorer, is to much the same old style that most other manufacturers are pushing out and does not interest her one bit.

I would lay money that is sand mud or snow the new Terrain management could outperform along with being safer and more comfortable than any STOCK Explorer from the past....and as for the towing, you should check why ford didnt check that box in the "of prime importance" specifications....me, i also love the Flex...but again the Explorer would absolutely trump that vehicle in any inclement conditions...I think you may be under estiamting the terrain Management system....would be a nice side by side comparison with the elder Explorer of your choice though...my bet is it would burst a few pre-conceived ideas....parrallels the Crown Vic/ Taurus PI IMO....some fail to embrace progress....so when did you actually take the Explorer to a site to compare its capabilities with the elder Explorer?

[Deanh]

Capabilities disagree. Efficiency agree and disagree (see below). Content agree (but then again, look at the price now for all those features), Dynamics agree, NVH agree, fit/finish agree.

 

The off-road capabilities of this new Explorer are not up to par with the Gen I or II models. Towing is not up to the Gen III model. The sheer width and weight of this vehicle compromises it's capabilities too. But hey, it's plush with fancy features.

 

Efficiency is improved, but with the added weight/size, mpg's could have been better if they didn't balloon the size so much.

 

But then again, every new model improves in all those area's I agreed upon. The area's of efficiency and capabilities aren't always improved from one model to the next, and with the Explorer, they declined or were stagnant.

 

 

Yes this is my wife's vehicle, and no she doesn't need a rock crawler, just a good 5-7 passenger AWD or 4WD CUV/SUV to haul the three kids. For me, the capabilities are the biggest deterrent. For the wife, it's the style.

 

The wife has loved the style of the Flex from day one, where as she's stated the new Explorer blends in with the crowd. She liked the uniqueness of the Altima when we bought it in 2004, as not many other cars looked like it when it debuted in 2003. The Explorer, is to much the same old style that most other manufacturers are pushing out and does not interest her one bit.

I would lay money that is sand mud or snow the new Terrain management could outperform along with being safer and more comfortable than any STOCK Explorer from the past....and as for the towing, you should check why ford didnt check that box in the "of prime importance" specifications....me, i also love the Flex...but again the Explorer would absolutely trump that vehicle in any inclement conditions...I think you may be under estiamting the terrain Management system....would be a nice side by side comparison with the elder Explorer of your choice though...my bet is it would burst a few pre-conceived ideas....parrallels the Crown Vic/ Taurus PI IMO....some fail to embrace progress....so when did you actually take the Explorer to a site to compare its capabilities with the elder Explorer?

[V8-X]

I would lay money that is sand mud or snow the new Terrain management could outperform along with being safer and more comfortable than any STOCK Explorer from the past....and as for the towing, you should check why ford didnt check that box in the "of prime importance" specifications....me, i also love the Flex...but again the Explorer would absolutely trump that vehicle in any inclement conditions...I think you may be under estiamting the terrain Management system....would be a nice side by side comparison with the elder Explorer of your choice though...my bet is it would burst a few pre-conceived ideas....parrallels the Crown Vic/ Taurus PI IMO....some fail to embrace progress....so when did you actually take the Explorer to a site to compare its capabilities with the elder Explorer?

Well, based on the mag reviews, the new Explorer is good in adverse conditions, but most admit it's lost capability in this area. In icy conditions, the TM may be much better (due to traction control), but in sand, mud or snow pack, I'll take a true 4WD system over it any day. Speaking with the salesmen and servicemen at my local dealer, they too admit it was a step backwards in that aspect. After my test drive, getting that heavy beast back up over the curb in front of the dealership took it some effort, but never got a chance to do any adventurous testing of its capabilities.

 

The TM system from my understanding, is basically a torque management system, that simply shifts power to different wheels when spinning, or applies braking. A good driver with true 4WD can outperform the system in most cases. Can tell you I never got into a situation I couldn't handle with any of my old Explorers, or with any of my F150s. And many of the situations, I just can't see this heavy low stance vehicle conquering.

 

I have no doubt on the streets, this new Explorer is much more refined, I've never doubted that. Also understand why the towing went down, which was the same reason the vehicle went from BOF to Uni. With the CUV craze currently, towing and off-road ability aren't high on the list, where as smooth ride is desired, so they compromised the off-road and towing for a smoother ride.

 

Now there is one caveat. If you're like most people today, who just drive and aren't good drivers or tuned into their vehicle, sure the TM will be better suited for those drivers. For a good driver that doesn't need or want much system interaction in their driving, the TM may not be their route. My wife would be a good candidate for TM, as she's a poor driver, especially in the elements.

Edited February 23, 2011 by V8-X

[Deanh]

Well, based on the mag reviews, the new Explorer is good in adverse conditions, but most admit it's lost capability in this area. In icy conditions, the TM may be much better (due to traction control), but in sand, mud or snow pack, I'll take a true 4WD system over it any day. Speaking with the salesmen and servicemen at my local dealer, they too admit it was a step backwards in that aspect. After my test drive, getting that heavy beast back up over the curb in front of the dealership took it some effort, but never got a chance to do any adventurous testing of its capabilities.

 

The TM system from my understanding, is basically a torque management system, that simply shifts power to different wheels when spinning, or applies braking. A good driver with true 4WD can outperform the system in most cases. Can tell you I never got into a situation I couldn't handle with any of my old Explorers, or with any of my F150s. And many of the situations, I just can't see this heavy low stance vehicle conquering.

 

I have no doubt on the streets, this new Explorer is much more refined, I've never doubted that. Also understand why the towing went down, which was the same reason the vehicle went from BOF to Uni. With the CUV craze currently, towing and off-road ability aren't high on the list, where as smooth ride is desired, so they compromised the off-road and towing for a smoother ride.

 

Now there is one caveat. If you're like most people today, who just drive and aren't good drivers or tuned into their vehicle, sure the TM will be better suited for those drivers. For a good driver that doesn't need or want much system interaction in their driving, the TM may not be their route. My wife would be a good candidate for TM, as she's a poor driver, especially in the elements.

fact...in the hands of 99% of the buying public they will be safer, handle ANY day to day situation easier, be more comfortable, spend less at the pumps, AND be able to carry more people than the same person in an older Explorer...Ford has been wise to embrace the masses instead of over the top un-neccesarily demanding niches...AND it was stated in several tests the Explore hung with the curre I benchmark Jeep...youre pickin at flies....and Fords lapping up profits...i havent seen action on a vehicle of the same magnitude since the Expedition came out...but that vehicle wouldnt have appesed your whims either im guessing...too big, too accomodating, comfortabe....etc etc....what YOU condider "off- roading" is FAR removed from what most consider let alone experience....and the new Explorer is MORE tahn capaable in those situations.... Edited February 23, 2011 by Deanh

[Pioneer]

handle ANY day to day situation easier

 

 

Maybe, maybe not. My Aunt got her AWD Mountaineer stuck in her driveway during the last snowstorm. My 4wd Explorer had no problems.

[Deanh]

Maybe, maybe not. My Aunt got her AWD Mountaineer stuck in her driveway during the last snowstorm. My 4wd Explorer had no problems.

hey, can happen to anyone anywhere....I think one thing that gets ignored in this situation more than anything else is Tires....the stock ones can be replaced with specialist tires that would incrementally increase ANY performance parameters in brutal conditions....

[silvrsvt]

hey, can happen to anyone anywhere....I think one thing that gets ignored in this situation more than anything else is Tires....the stock ones can be replaced with specialist tires that would incrementally increase ANY performance parameters in brutal conditions....

 

but your also pigeonholing the vehicle at the same time. Sure, Drag radials are fine for the drag strip, but not so much so if its 10 degrees out on the street with some icy spots.

 

With that being said, the new Explorer is most likely most well rounded out of all the Explorers that Ford has made. Because of this its going to be derided by people who want a Ranger type Rock crawler with 4 doors.

 

 

 

 

[Deanh]

but your also pigeonholing the vehicle at the same time. Sure, Drag radials are fine for the drag strip, but not so much so if its 10 degrees out on the street with some icy spots.

 

With that being said, the new Explorer is most likely most well rounded out of all the Explorers that Ford has made. Because of this its going to be derided by people who want a Ranger type Rock crawler with 4 doors.

not necessarily, the specd factory tires were chosen specifically for NVH, not their snow and ice prowess....one should purchase the applicable tires for ones environment.....

[silvrsvt]

not necessarily, the specd factory tires were chosen specifically for NVH, not their snow and ice prowess....one should purchase the applicable tires for ones environment.....

 

Or Price....

[rmc523]

Another good note from across the interwebs...

 

Explorer was designed with the EB3.5 in mind, it wasn't available at launch because they didn't think they'd have adequate supply of the engines. It's coming.

 

Also, the SportTrac is "cruising" through development, and should be on the lots within a few years. The SHO powertrain will be in this as well, with 400HP and a "Lightning" or "Adrenalin" badge.

 

The Lincoln Explorer variant is greenlit as well, and will slot below the MKT, which is "moving further upmarket" with the MCE and next gen due to the much higher than anticipated ATP.

 

 

The "news" of the EB 3.5L going into the Explorer does not surprise me at all. One thing I believe will happen - it's debut in the Explorer will come AFTER the 4-cyl EB 2.0L to emphasize the fuel economy improvements of the vehicle. Another that I believe SHOULD happen is in line with what I believe V8-X said - if "SHO" is to be used on Explorer, it must have the brake and possibly suspension, etc. upgrades (at least optional) to go with the EB 3.5L, not just the engine.

 

As for the SporTrac - interesting, and I think Adrenalin would be more appropriate there.

 

The Lincoln Explorer news confirms what the Ford guy told me a couple months ago when seeing and driving the new Explorer for the first time. I also have to wonder what a "move further upmarket" will entail? I could see 4-seat only configuration with full reclining, massage, etc. - all the bells and whistles - like the original concept coming in some form or another.

[NLPRacing]

Another good note from across the interwebs...

 

Explorer was designed with the EB3.5 in mind, it wasn't available at launch because they didn't think they'd have adequate supply of the engines. It's coming.

 

Also, the SportTrac is "cruising" through development, and should be on the lots within a few years. The SHO powertrain will be in this as well, with 400HP and a "Lightning" or "Adrenalin" badge.

 

The Lincoln Explorer variant is greenlit as well, and will slot below the MKT, which is "moving further upmarket" with the MCE and next gen due to the much higher than anticipated ATP.

 

Any word on when we'll see a concept of any of these?

[PREMiERdrum]

Any word on when we'll see a concept of any of these?

 

No idea.

 

With the SportTrac reportedly being "a few" years out, I wonder if it will come out after an MCE on the Explorer? Or maybe the new Explorer will have a slightly longer lifecycle (4 or 5 model years before MCE) in order to get all the variants online (4cy EB, 6cy EB, SportTrac, etc)?

[BrewfanGRB]

Fusion platform can't handle the EB 3.5L - it would have to wait for CD4. The Explorer platform should be capable already.

 

That's the platform expected to be used on the next redesign (~2013--ala Fusion/Mondeo), right? I can wait....maybe.

 

Oh and re: the prior posts about just slapping the SHO label on something: Totally agree. Realistically, I want the power in smaller footprint vehicle than the Taurus. I don't think you can put the power in the car without the upgraded brakes and suspension, etc. I like how my car "feels" now--if that makes any sense. Put another way, I have a good "sense" for the dimensions of my car--where it fits in the garage (it's a narrow 2 car, so it has go in pretty precisely), how it parks, etc. Just the feel for the Taurus is that it's a bit bigger than I like. (Not that's it "too big" or anything wrong with--just not aligned with my preferences. I guess I need to update my sig).

Edited February 24, 2011 by BrewfanGRB

[blksn8k2]

IIRC one issue of My Ford magazine stated the 6.2L F-150 Raptor would have 500 hp. :rollseyes: :reading:

[sanduskyman]

IIRC one issue of My Ford magazine stated the 6.2L F-150 Raptor would have 500 hp. :rollseyes: :reading:

 

Yes I think it does.. It's costly tho. Just looked at one the other day.

[MY93SHO]

Yes I think it does.. It's costly tho. Just looked at one the other day.

 

The 500hp version of the Raptor is not street legal.

[V8-X]

fact...in the hands of 99% of the buying public they will be safer, handle ANY day to day situation easier, be more comfortable, spend less at the pumps, AND be able to carry more people than the same person in an older Explorer...Ford has been wise to embrace the masses instead of over the top un-neccesarily demanding niches...AND it was stated in several tests the Explore hung with the curre I benchmark Jeep...youre pickin at flies....and Fords lapping up profits...i havent seen action on a vehicle of the same magnitude since the Expedition came out...but that vehicle wouldnt have appesed your whims either im guessing...too big, too accomodating, comfortabe....etc etc....what YOU condider "off- roading" is FAR removed from what most consider let alone experience....and the new Explorer is MORE tahn capaable in those situations....

Dean. I do agree. For the majority of the buying public, whether that's 51% or 99.9%, this Explorer will conquer most obstacles they will ever encounter. They will be safer, because they have a computer controlling their driving, since the majority of the buying public truly doesn't know how to drive these days, especially in adverse weather. It will handle better (for the most part), because of the advancements in technology (traction control/roll-stability control, etc), IFS/IRS and the widening of the body of the body for a few examples. One area handling will be impacted is people parking such a large Explorer compared to the previous models. It will be more comfortable because of the uni platform versus the BOF, as well as the IFS/IRS, NVH improvements and many other advancements that no car had, or only luxury cars had back in the 90s' and early 00's. But to say you'd save more at the pump and fit more people than say a BOF (not the end all be all in capability) and with a true 4WD (2-speed Xfer case) is a little misleading. A lot of the mpg increase has come from the improved motor & tranny and aerodynamics. The last gen Explorer (which I disliked), sat 7, wasn't nearly as aerodynamic, and is not as comfortably because the '11 is bigger.

 

I totally understand why Ford went the route they did with this Explorer, I have not gripes about that. Just hope down the road Ford can offer something similar to say the Raptor, doesn't need to be that aggressive, in a smaller package. The Bronco concept, while not too realistic, would be wonderful!

 

Hmm, most rags I read stated in basic (slight mud, snow, ice) conditions, yes the Explorer hung with the Jeep. When it got more extreme, the Jeep clearly out-performed the Explorer. Guess it's all each persons interpretation of the article.

 

Action of this magnitude since the Expy debut? Must be a hot ticket in other parts of the country, cause I have yet to see one, not one '11 Explorer on the road here in Denver. Well, I did see one on the road last Summer, but I think that was a test mule or something, as it had Michigan plates on it and the Explorer hadn't rolled off the assembly lines yet. The CO auto demographic is very different than many other parts of the country though. Our needs and desires in a capable vehicle vary greatly compared to others. When I lived in PHX, of course sunny weather practically year round, the auto demographic there is greatly different based on weather and terrain. So I'm not saying the Explorer is a bad car, it's just that, it's a car that has lost some of the capability I expect in an SUV. That's all. Otherwise the build quality and other aspects are far better than we had in past Explorers, and better than many/most CUV's on the road today.

 

The Expy, while nice, yes it has always been too big/heavy. The Gen I was better than the Gen II if you considered any type of off-road conditions, but neither were/are stellar. The Gen II is a better towing machine from my experience, but the IRS is a slight negative in towing with the Gen II.

 

Maybe, maybe not. My Aunt got her AWD Mountaineer stuck in her driveway during the last snowstorm. My 4wd Explorer had no problems.

When we owned our '99 AWD Explorer 5.0L, the '96 Explorer 4.0L OHV 4x4 was a much better performer in adverse weather, and the AWD had the better all-terrain tires. The '99 AWD's only advantage was in icy conditions when you didn't have the 4x4 locked on the '96.

 

hey, can happen to anyone anywhere....I think one thing that gets ignored in this situation more than anything else is Tires....the stock ones can be replaced with specialist tires that would incrementally increase ANY performance parameters in brutal conditions....

Yes it can. I've seen idiots get stuck in Hummers, Wranglers, and various other types of decent to good off-road vehicles. But then again these were more the dumb drivers fault than the vehicle.

 

And tires do make a HUGE difference. Keep in mind, if you go with that specialty tire, you will most likely see a decrease in ride comfort and an increase in road noise.

 

but your also pigeonholing the vehicle at the same time. Sure, Drag radials are fine for the drag strip, but not so much so if its 10 degrees out on the street with some icy spots.

 

With that being said, the new Explorer is most likely most well rounded out of all the Explorers that Ford has made. Because of this its going to be derided by people who want a Ranger type Rock crawler with 4 doors.

Agreed!

[silvrsvt]

 

Action of this magnitude since the Expy debut? Must be a hot ticket in other parts of the country, cause I have yet to see one, not one '11 Explorer on the road here in Denver.

 

In the past 2-3 weeks, I've seen 5-6 of them. Keep in mind I do drive 135 miles one way on Friday afternoons to get back home. Though I had a back to back sighting with in 5 minutes of one another 2-3 Saturdays ago.

 

The one ford product I'm downright amazed at how well its selling in my area is the new Edge...I can't swing a deadcat and NOT see one.

[Deanh]

Dean. I do agree. For the majority of the buying public, whether that's 51% or 99.9%, this Explorer will conquer most obstacles they will ever encounter. They will be safer, because they have a computer controlling their driving, since the majority of the buying public truly doesn't know how to drive these days, especially in adverse weather. It will handle better (for the most part), because of the advancements in technology (traction control/roll-stability control, etc), IFS/IRS and the widening of the body of the body for a few examples. One area handling will be impacted is people parking such a large Explorer compared to the previous models. It will be more comfortable because of the uni platform versus the BOF, as well as the IFS/IRS, NVH improvements and many other advancements that no car had, or only luxury cars had back in the 90s' and early 00's. But to say you'd save more at the pump and fit more people than say a BOF (not the end all be all in capability) and with a true 4WD (2-speed Xfer case) is a little misleading. A lot of the mpg increase has come from the improved motor & tranny and aerodynamics. The last gen Explorer (which I disliked), sat 7, wasn't nearly as aerodynamic, and is not as comfortably because the '11 is bigger.

 

I totally understand why Ford went the route they did with this Explorer, I have not gripes about that. Just hope down the road Ford can offer something similar to say the Raptor, doesn't need to be that aggressive, in a smaller package. The Bronco concept, while not too realistic, would be wonderful!

 

Hmm, most rags I read stated in basic (slight mud, snow, ice) conditions, yes the Explorer hung with the Jeep. When it got more extreme, the Jeep clearly out-performed the Explorer. Guess it's all each persons interpretation of the article.

 

Action of this magnitude since the Expy debut? Must be a hot ticket in other parts of the country, cause I have yet to see one, not one '11 Explorer on the road here in Denver. Well, I did see one on the road last Summer, but I think that was a test mule or something, as it had Michigan plates on it and the Explorer hadn't rolled off the assembly lines yet. The CO auto demographic is very different than many other parts of the country though. Our needs and desires in a capable vehicle vary greatly compared to others. When I lived in PHX, of course sunny weather practically year round, the auto demographic there is greatly different based on weather and terrain. So I'm not saying the Explorer is a bad car, it's just that, it's a car that has lost some of the capability I expect in an SUV. That's all. Otherwise the build quality and other aspects are far better than we had in past Explorers, and better than many/most CUV's on the road today.

 

The Expy, while nice, yes it has always been too big/heavy. The Gen I was better than the Gen II if you considered any type of off-road conditions, but neither were/are stellar. The Gen II is a better towing machine from my experience, but the IRS is a slight negative in towing with the Gen II.

 

 

When we owned our '99 AWD Explorer 5.0L, the '96 Explorer 4.0L OHV 4x4 was a much better performer in adverse weather, and the AWD had the better all-terrain tires. The '99 AWD's only advantage was in icy conditions when you didn't have the 4x4 locked on the '96.

 

 

Yes it can. I've seen idiots get stuck in Hummers, Wranglers, and various other types of decent to good off-road vehicles. But then again these were more the dumb drivers fault than the vehicle.

 

And tires do make a HUGE difference. Keep in mind, if you go with that specialty tire, you will most likely see a decrease in ride comfort and an increase in road noise.

 

 

Agreed!

reason your not seeing many is availability...they are VERY Limited at the moment, and only those ok with ordering and waiting or paying MSRP are becoming owners....

[Deanh]

In the past 2-3 weeks, I've seen 5-6 of them. Keep in mind I do drive 135 miles one way on Friday afternoons to get back home. Though I had a back to back sighting with in 5 minutes of one another 2-3 Saturdays ago.

 

The one ford product I'm downright amazed at how well its selling in my area is the new Edge...I can't swing a deadcat and NOT see one.

reason...availabilty and an EXTREMELY competitive lease program.....