blazerdude20 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 My link The funding is part of a total $50 million investment at the plant, not all of which will go to the 5.8-liter engine, which is specifically labeled as replacing the 5.4-liter supercharged V8 currently used in the GT500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) POWER! UNLIMITED POWER! Edited October 5, 2011 by Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twmalonehunter Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Power has never been the gt500 problem, getting the power to the ground is. The 1/4 mile times just aren't that impressive considering the trap speeds, and when comparing to cars with far less power. Is irs the answer? IDK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Power has never been the gt500 problem, getting the power to the ground is. The 1/4 mile times just aren't that impressive considering the trap speeds, and when comparing to cars with far less power. Is irs the answer? IDK. IRS is the answer to life, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Color me a bit confused....so what block is this 5.8L going to be based on? A tall deck 5.0L like the old 5.0L or is it going to be a destroked 6.2L? Another thing....why in the world is the Mustang getting a one off engine ONLY used in it? Are we going to the see the 5.8L in other products? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 As simple as a Big Bore 5.4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 As simple as a Big Bore 5.4? I'd assume that Ford wants to move away from the old style Modular architecture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 As simple as a Big Bore 5.4? Was it just last year that they started using the linerless, spraybore aluminum block? Without the liners, there might be some room to grow the bore. I'm no math wizz, how much larger bore would be needed to go from 5.4 to 5.8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'd assume that Ford wants to move away from the old style Modular architecture... Remember, this is for Shelby and changing bore would mean far less changes to their set up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Remember, this is for Shelby and changing bore would mean far less changes to their set up... I think your right...here is the verbiage from the agreement: The 5.4L Supercharged engine gets upgraded to a 5.8L. Kinda interesting that the 5.4L is going to outlive the 4.6L its based on :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think your right...here is the verbiage from the agreement: The 5.4L Supercharged engine gets upgraded to a 5.8L. Kinda interesting that the 5.4L is going to outlive the 4.6L its based on :P 6.2 might be tenuous considering the very solid V6 ecoboost sales in F150, I think a lot of SDs would be going with the 6.7 diesel instead of the gas engine.. and Ford has kept the 6.8 V10 for larger trucks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Another thing....why in the world is the Mustang getting a one off engine ONLY used in it? Are we going to the see the 5.8L in other products? Certainly wouldn't be the first time a Mustang received its own unique engine. :shrug: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tboneguy Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Certainly wouldn't be the first time a Mustang received its own unique engine. :shrug: I'd love to see a normally aspirated version of the motor used for either a Mach1 or BOSS 351. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'd assume that Ford wants to move away from the old style Modular architecture... How much different is the bottom end of the 5.0L than the bottom end of the modular? They share basic physical dimensions, bore spacing, main cap design, etc. I'm sure the 5.8L is to the 5.4L what the 5.0L is to the 4.6L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Remember, this is for Shelby and changing bore would mean far less changes to their set up... Maybe, but the cost of modifying the 5.0 block, if the bore centers are too close, will be large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Power has never been the gt500 problem, getting the power to the ground is. The 1/4 mile times just aren't that impressive considering the trap speeds, and when comparing to cars with far less power. Is irs the answer? IDK. the 2013 GT500 that was at the ring WAS tested with an IRS system..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Another thing....why in the world is the Mustang getting a one off engine ONLY used in it? Are we going to the see the 5.8L in other products? Hasn't there been rumblings of a lincoln products based on the next gen mustang? could put some serious punch into the lincoln brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Hasn't there been rumblings of a lincoln products based on the next gen mustang? could put some serious punch into the lincoln brand. One can hope, but only if the next gen Mustang's platform can perform on the levels of NVH and refinement that would be expected of a Lincoln. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Hasn't there been rumblings of a lincoln products based on the next gen mustang? could put some serious punch into the lincoln brand. so is the 5.8 a bored 5.4 or a short stroke 6.2?.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 One can hope, but only if the next gen Mustang's platform can perform on the levels of NVH and refinement that would be expected of a Lincoln. stay tuned....50th anniversary will point the way...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 so is the 5.8 a bored 5.4 or a short stroke 6.2?.............. You missed my post... verbiage from the UAW paperwork: The 5.4L Supercharged engine gets upgraded to a 5.8L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 You missed my post... verbiage from the UAW paperwork: The 5.4L Supercharged engine gets upgraded to a 5.8L. got it....so bore it is I presume, but I wonder, they are coaxing 800 hp out of the Supersnake, why go to this trouble when theres simpler alternatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 got it....so bore it is I presume, but I wonder, they are coaxing 800 hp out of the Supersnake, why go to this trouble when theres simpler alternatives? There are considerations that Ford needs to make that Shelby aftermarket does not. Durability and emissions being two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 There are considerations that Ford needs to make that Shelby aftermarket does not. Durability and emissions being two. 800 is extreme, but 625 is but a smaller pulley away....seems a hell of a lot simpler than this route.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 800 is extreme, but 625 is but a smaller pulley away....seems a hell of a lot simpler than this route.... Smaller pulley = more boost = more emissions = more stress on engine components = less durability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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