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Google's Brin: Individual car ownership needs to go


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"...The people who are changing the world aren't going to wait for you.

It's your job to understand what they're doing and either approve of it or accept it.

Most people, of course, can't be bothered to see where the world is going. They're too wrapped up in their daily needs and lacks.

However, an interview given by Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin to VC Vinod Khosla offered a clear picture their company's destination.

Page and Brin see a world in which much needs fixing. Theirs is a company that works on a broad number of fronts in the hope that just a few will be world-changing winners.

One of these is self-driving cars.

You might have thought that this was just an engineer's wheeze, something that faces vast obstacles in the real world. However, Brin would like you to know just how serious he is.

"I hope that that could really transform transportation around the world, and reduce the need for individual car ownership, the need for parking, road congestion and so forth," said Brin.

 

Ownership of cars is, in essence, inefficient.

Brin described the future like this: "With self-driving cars, you don't really need much in the way of parking, because you don't need one car per person. They just come and get you when you need them. You can also make much more efficient road use, if you-- and this is not something we've developed yet, but it's certainly been simulated by many. They can form trains. They can go at high speed, perhaps much higher than our highway speeds here."

Yes, the future is an uber-Uber world.

It's also one in which Brin knows what is ideal for you: "It's also really nice to not have a steering wheel, not have pedals. Maybe the seats should face each other, things like that. I'm not sure that the traditional car designs are ideal for self-driving."

Take that, you steering wheel fetishists, you pedal pushers..."

 

 

Already the Taxi Cab industry is calling foul on E-Hailing Phone App and UberX .

 

Looking forward to the next 15-20 years to see what the automotive industry will do.

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Don't taxis and buses provide the same service as far as having a vehicle pick you up and not owning one? I don't see a self-driving car being that much more efficient than a taxi.

 

There are other potential benefits (and a plethora of potential problems) - I just don't see that one as legit.

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Autonomous Cars Like The Google May Be Viable In Less Than 10 Years

 

BRUSSELS, Belgium – President Barack Obama’s motorcade, abetted by the limousine cavalcades of his G7 leader colleagues and non-stop rain, bought traffic to a standstill here this week, making those stranded in their cars or diving into the underground railroad system for relief wonder whether computer controlled cars might one day make this aggravation a thing of the past.

News of Google GOOGL -0.18%’s autonomous car, which can transport two passengers around at speeds of up to 25 mph with the computer controlling the steering wheel and brakes, has set off speculation about just when this technology will be available.

 

Could it be with us in less than 10 years?

“Yes,” says Peter Fuss, Germany based automotive specialist from the EY consultancy.

Fuss told the annual Automotive News Congress here that so-called autonomous driving will arrive in less than 10 years, spurred on by safety and comfort benefits.

“No,” said other assorted experts at the conference, led by Volvo, who reckoned 10 to 15 years was more likely.

Nobody thought the computer controlled car was pie in the sky.

 

Peter Mertens, senior vice-president at Volvo Cars Corp, said many of the basic technologies have already been developed, including systems like radar cruise control, which keeps a constant speed on the highway and slows the car down when it approaches a slower car. The selected cruising speed is reinstated when the computer senses the coast is clear. Other techniques already in use include “city-brake”, now standard on many Volvos, which takes control of braking from the driver when the computer senses an imminent crash at speeds under 20 mph. Computerized parking, and “steer assist”, which senses that the car will go out of control unless curbed, are becoming commonplace. It’s really a question of developing and consolidating these systems, Mertens said.

The new Mercedes S class sedan already incorporates many technologies on the path to computer control..

 

On its drive towards autonomous cars, Volvo will have 100 cars in Gothenburg, Sweden in 2017, which will be able to drive around known routes without input from the driver..."

 

The biggest factors for transportation tech advances are safety and manpower overhead cost.

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Thank God I'm not a kid because for me, cars have been everything. I don't want any of this. I do not like what is in store for the future.

 

Why take all the fun out of cars and driving?

 

I own numerous cars and no, I'm not car-pooling.

 

Besides, are these autonomous cars going to dodge pot holes?

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Besides, are these autonomous cars going to dodge pot holes?

 

I could see how technology could be developed so they do. All you really need is a sensitive radar that examines the road surface for imperfections. I believe Land Rover already uses a related system to automatically adjust the suspension for road conditions.

 

That said, I don't see how you would ever be able to entirely eliminate the need for manual input in at least some situations, especially in rural areas. This sort of tech will only ever really fully work in high density, high traffic areas where the vehicles would be able to operate with each other in a network.

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Where I live, the buses suck. :rant2:

Exactly.

 

Autonomous car. Bus. Plane. It's all public transport.

 

Seems to me that what is being peddled here is a public (owned) fleet of cars that automatically run routes out of a central hub and passengers download an app to hail a...cab, essentially.

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Autonomous Cars Like The Google May Be Viable In Less Than 10 Years

 

BRUSSELS, Belgium President Barack Obamas motorcade, abetted by the limousine cavalcades of his G7 leader colleagues and non-stop rain, bought traffic to a standstill here this week, making those stranded in their cars or diving into the underground railroad system for relief wonder whether computer controlled cars might one day make this aggravation a thing of the past.

 

Not sure how having an autonomous car is supposed to save people from being stuck on a road that's blocked off by a presidential motorcade? The autonomous car is still on the same blocked road.

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So do we start calling Google socialist pigs now?

 

Kidding, but yeah, this obviously won't work any time soon. Sometimes people in big cities don't realize that big-city solutions don't work outside big cities.

I can see it working on a small scale in our largest, most densely populated metropolitan areas, or maybe some college campuses. But that's about it.

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Ownership of cars is, in essence, inefficient.

Brin described the future like this: "With self-driving cars, you don't really need much in the way of parking, because you don't need one car per person. They just come and get you when you need them. You can also make much more efficient road use, if you-- and this is not something we've developed yet, but it's certainly been simulated by many. They can form trains. They can go at high speed, perhaps much higher than our highway speeds here.".

Demand for (the use of) cars is dependent on time of day. Unless you're going to have a large number of empty cars continuously moving all the time, then they'll have to "park" somewhere.

 

I'd say personal ownership of cars is extremely efficient. They're used when they're needed, and not when they aren't.

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I'd say personal ownership of cars is extremely efficient. They're used when they're needed, and not when they aren't.

 

Plus they are always in the right place. You need to go somewhere? You don't have to wait for a vehicle to arrive. You have one there all the time: yours. Another example of how this only works in the city. To reach rural areas in any reasonable amount of time there would need to be a ton of these automated vehicles sitting out in the middle of nowhere that hardly ever get used or are constantly in motion to be in the right place at the right time, which is horribly energy-inefficient.

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Plus they are always in the right place. You need to go somewhere? You don't have to wait for a vehicle to arrive. You have one there all the time: yours. Another example of how this only works in the city. To reach rural areas in any reasonable amount of time there would need to be a ton of these automated vehicles sitting out in the middle of nowhere that hardly ever get used or are constantly in motion to be in the right place at the right time, which is horribly energy-inefficient.

If you're familiar with the mass migration of the people of West Virginia, Ohio, VA and NC to Myrtle Beach every summer (esp Memorial Day, July 4, and Labor Day), you can imagine the hole it would leave in such a community property as shared cars.

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