Dayshift Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) THESTREET.COM quotes UAW officials as saying that "Ford is best positioned to be the union's negotiating target when talks begin the week of July 13". http://www.thestreet.com/story/13190054/1/fords-selection-as-uaw-negotiating-target-puts-fiat-chrysler-in-precarious-position.html?puc=CNNMONEY&cm_ven=CNNMONEY How will this effect us & do you see this as a good or bad thing for Ford? Edited June 17, 2015 by Dayshift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 THESTREET.COM quotes UAW officials as saying that "Ford is best positioned to be the union's negotiating target when talks begin the week of July 13". http://www.thestreet.com/story/13190054/1/fords-selection-as-uaw-negotiating-target-puts-fiat-chrysler-in-precarious-position.html?puc=CNNMONEY&cm_ven=CNNMONEY How will this effect us & do you see this as a good or bad thing for Ford? Tired of hearing the talk by international of "closing the gap", lets eliminate the gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Wow..... surprise surprise "Closing the gap" is IUAW lingo for we are begging Ford`s accountants to make the gap smaller.... even just a little, please? Take some from tier #1 and leave tier #2 alone.... see how the gap got smaller Decker Edited June 17, 2015 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Tired of hearing the talk by international of "closing the gap", lets eliminate the gap. I wish. They don't care about the second class citizens known as entry level employees. This contract will be all about satisfying the 1st tier and what they want while the low seniority tier 2 will be left with the scraps and be tol just to be happy they have jobs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipperyelectron Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Ford is NOT the strike target. There are NO strike targets. Ford is the negotiating target. The union isn't going to kill the golden goose. I wish under educated morons would stop referring to strike targets every contract negotiation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) I wish. They don't care about the second class citizens known as entry level employees. This contract will be all about satisfying the 1st tier and what they want while the low seniority tier 2 will be left with the scraps and be tol just to be happy they have jobs. Fuzzy All I would add is tier #1 is in Ford`s sights, not tier #2. The IUAW stopped being union oriented and became politicians even more when they separated its membership with tiers. So the only way that the IUAW can make anything float will be to tell the entry level they didn`t loose anything and be thankful you have a job. Then tell tier #1 it`s all about "solidarity" and helping "your" sister`s and brother`s out by reducing those high wages of yours, that we proved to the world are way to high by letting tier #2 members do the same work for half..... Tier #1 is gunna get an eye opener..... Decker Edited June 17, 2015 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Wow slippy calm down a little. For beeinn so edumaacatted you sure be hi strung. Decker Ford is NOT the strike target. There are NO strike targets. Ford is the negotiating target. The union isn't going to kill the golden goose. I wish under educated morons would stop referring to strike targets every contract negotiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 naturally Ford is talking tough prior to talks, but being the target means the UAW feels it's chances of getting a decent contract are better at Ford than the others. Then thier hope would be others follow in step. I can't imagine the UAW would even propose tier 1 give back a single thing after over 10 yrs of no raises and all the give backs we've already given these past rough years. Everybody see the outragous pay of the top CEO'S just keeps gettng bigger and bigger as profits have return these past few years. Ford will push for the best deal they can get from a weak UAW, But they are smart enough to know a strike would cost them millions more than just offering a fair contract. Our major problem is the in fighting between tier 1 & 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Fuzzy All I would add is tier #1 is in Ford`s sights, not tier #2. The IUAW stopped being union oriented and became politicians even more when they separated its membership with tiers. So the only way that the IUAW can make anything float will be to tell the entry level they didn`t loose anything and be thankful you have a job. Then tell tier #1 it`s all about "solidarity" and helping "your" sister`s and brother`s out by reducing those high wages of yours, that we proved to the world are way to high by letting tier #2 members do the same work for half..... Tier #1 is gunna get an eye opener..... Decker Agree,FMC wants to rid themselves of ALL tier 1 and their wages and benefits. As soon as IUAW agreed on having a tier 2 you knew what side they were on. Just wait and see what's brought to the table, tier 1's are in for a surprise. If anything tier 2's wages will be brought up some (ie bridging the gap) but NOT to tier 1 wages. Your not hearing the IUAW say that tier 1 MUST get a raise. Can't see FMC giving raises to tier 1's when they would love to see them all gone. As soon as this 2nd tier was brought in the writing was on the wall. I can see them offering tier 1's buyouts to get rid of as many as they can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 80% of the workers are tier 1. Don't see them being stupid enough to approve a contract that screws them. But you tier 2 people keep dreaming the dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Tier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Tier 1 will get a small wage increase, Tier 2 a bigger wage increase and the percentage of tier 2 will go up slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 There will be buyouts galore as the company seeks to get rid of first tier workers and trades so they can bring in other workers and pay them less. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) 80% of the workers are tier 1. Don't see them being stupid enough to approve a contract that screws them. But you tier 2 people keep dreaming the dream. The 80% of the sheep voted for at lease the last two gems.....? Tier 2 see the truth every Friday niteeyes, it`s not a dream. Niteeye`s you may want to get those eye`s checked, "don`t "see" them being stupid enough to approve a contract that screws them"....? Ok who is dreaming? Decker 1 of the 1788 Edited June 18, 2015 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The 80% of the sheep voted for at lease the last two gems.....? Tier 2 see the truth every Friday niteeyes, it`s not a dream. Niteeye`s you may want to get those eye`s checked, "don`t "see" them being stupid enough to approve a contract that screws them"....? Or who is dreaming? Decker 1 of the 1788 In the end, the 2nd tier is the minority. If the contract that is approved screws us, there is absolutely nothing our votes can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 80% of the workers are tier 1. Don't see them being stupid enough to approve a contract that screws them. But you tier 2 people keep dreaming the dream. Didn't the last 2 contracts pass without any raises on them for tier 1? And also on those contracts that both passed look at what else tier 1 gave up. So don't say they won't vote yes on a contract that screws them because that comment is wrong, the last 2 contracts passing has proved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmooret Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) BINGO! That's probably the very reason that Ford is being chosen as the strike/negotiating target since we'll vote in the first POS contract that comes down the pike. Makes it easy on the Union too. Seems everyone has forgotten that we can send them back to the table. Edited June 18, 2015 by pmooret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanstanding Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The 80% of the sheep voted for at lease the last two gems.....? Tier 2 see the truth every Friday niteeyes, it`s not a dream. Niteeye`s you may want to get those eye`s checked, "don`t "see" them being stupid enough to approve a contract that screws them"....? Ok who is dreaming? Decker 1 of the 1788 I've said to before and I'll say it again, " There will be a "buy-down" in this contract. If FMC offers enough mony to Legacy Employees they will take a pay-cut. Tier 2 will get part of that "cut" as a raise. Many of those Legacy people will "take the money and run" and tier 2 will take the raise........... That will be your majority and it will pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long forker DTP FINAL Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 NOBODY KNOW'S JUST WAIT AN SEE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktp1989 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Salary buydown and pension buyouts are always rumored...but yet to see it. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Nobody should be forced to take a buy down cause a contract passed, if the company wants a buy down it should be offered as voluntary just like the buyouts were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Nobody should be forced to take a buy down cause a contract passed, if the company wants a buy down it should be offered as voluntary just like the buyouts were. Its called collective bargaining. You as a union member allow the IUAW to negotiate on your behalf and you get what they negotiate ( if passed ) good and bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Its called collective bargaining. You as a union member allow the IUAW to negotiate on your behalf and you get what they negotiate ( if passed ) good and bad. A forced buy down will never pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 A forced buy down will never pass You sure about that? You seem very naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 And if it does and you don't like it....you should just quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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