Fgts Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 http://www.autonews.com/article/20160425/RETAIL07/304259955/why-are-some-nissan-dealers-so-unhappy? I've title this so due to Mitsu having similar growth and concerns in the early 00' and the fallout, granted Nissan have more stable products and operations the "marketshare at any cost" didn't work for Detroit, Euros or the small Asians, so why now?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Carlos Ghosn is the French version of Sergio Marchionne in my mind He's just not as vocal with his crazy schemes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Their CVT's make the cars as dull as a humidifier. Hit the gas and it makes noise, and sloooowly moves. But, they coast on being one of the original Japanese Big 3, so many buyers automatically pick them, thinking "my uncle had a Datsun Z car in 70's and loved it". Only if the car fall apart, like the Mitsu Galants will they turn into faded brand. The CVT's may be slow, but they give average drivers an "on/off switch". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Nissan's enormous success has no parallel to Mitsubishi's complete failure. Nissan has allot of successful product. I think the closest analogy might be Hyundai and it's aggressive and unsustainable overreaching, but in this case they are just forcing dealerships to do all the work instead of their pocketbooks. There are quite a few businesses out there that set ridiculous short-term goals and are stunned when it blows up in their face once the leadership changes. I don't think Nissan is actually in any sort of crisis however, this is all adieu about nothing. Companies have a long history of squeezing dealerships and business continues. Edited April 25, 2016 by BORG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Carlos Ghosn is the French version of Sergio Marchionne in my mind He's just not as vocal with his crazy schemes Carlos runs a successful auto conglomerate. Sergio runs a pyramid scheme. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Carlos Ghosn is the French version of Sergio Marchionne in my mind He's just not as vocal with his crazy schemes . The scary part is that Bill Ford wanted him to run FoMoCo at one point....thank GOD Alan Mullaly was brought in instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Carlos runs a successful auto conglomerate. Sergio runs a pyramid scheme. Also if my memory is correct I think Bill Ford tried to get him before he got Big Al. Thank God he got Alan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted April 26, 2016 Author Share Posted April 26, 2016 Their CVT's make the cars as dull as a humidifier. Hit the gas and it makes noise, and sloooowly moves. But, they coast on being one of the original Japanese Big 3, so many buyers automatically pick them, thinking "my uncle had a Datsun Z car in 70's and loved it". Only if the car fall apart, like the Mitsu Galants will they turn into faded brand. The CVT's may be slow, but they give average drivers an "on/off switch". The problem is the CVTs, Google "Nissan CVT failures" to know what i'm talking about. I wouldn't touch a used Nissan with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 The problem is the CVTs, Google "Nissan CVT failures" to know what i'm talking about. I wouldn't touch a used Nissan with one. My brother in law is a mechanic for the main Nissan dealer around here... and he will be the first to tell you to avoid anything with this transmission. Absolute junk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) In related news, Ford just announced a $1.4 Billion investment into its Livonia Transmission plant to build the 10-speed for F-Series/Mustang. Edited April 26, 2016 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 In related news, Ford just announced a $1.4 Billion investment into its Livonia Transmission plant to build the 10-speed for F-Series/Mustang. It's been known since the 2015 UAW contract. They're just formally announcing it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) The problem is the CVTs, Google "Nissan CVT failures" to know what i'm talking about. I wouldn't touch a used Nissan with one. My brother in law is a mechanic for the main Nissan dealer around here... and he will be the first to tell you to avoid anything with this transmission. Absolute junk. These transmissions are made by Jatco, the leading producer of CVT for passenger car and light truck use globally. The company is owned 75% by Nissan, 15% by Mitsubishi Motors, and 10% by Suzuki. In addition to Nissan and Renault vehicles, Jatco CVT is also used in Mitsubishi Colt, Mirage, Lancer, Outlander Sport/RVR/ASX, and Outlander; Suzuki Kizashi; Dodge Caliber; and Jeep Patriot/Compass. Edited April 26, 2016 by aneekr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovaltine Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) These transmissions are made by Jatco, the leading producer of CVT for passenger car and light truck use globally. The company is owned 75% by Nissan, 15% by Mitsubishi Motors, and 10% by Suzuki. In addition to Nissan and Renault vehicles, Jatco CVT is also used in Mitsubishi Colt, Mirage, Lancer, Outlander Sport/RVR/ASX, and Outlander; Suzuki Kizashi; Dodge Caliber; and Jeep Patriot/Compass. My 2008 Jeep Compass' Jatco-built CVT had to be completely replaced at 75k miles. Fortunately the 2008's came with a Lifetime Drivetrain Warranty that FCA honored, even though Cerebus was long gone, and Jeep had gone through the bankruptcy already! The performance is tolerable - but since this is the ONLY vehicle transmission I've ever had fail on me in 37 years of driving - methinks I'll be avoiding ANY CVT equipped vehicles in the future. -Ovaltine Edited April 27, 2016 by Ovaltine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The Jeeps switch to a regular AT a year or two ago, right? (And Caliber has been dead for years) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) I take back the CVT comment, it's noisy and slow. Group of friends and I rented a Versa and wanted to take it back, but the 'cheap' rental agency [off airport] said "you'll have to pay more..." Seems like CVT is just a cheap way to get "better MPG". I just hope the Gov't doesn't force all cars to have them. RE: Other CVT cars Friend has an '09 Caliber and likes it so much he forgets its name! JK, only got it as a "cheap 4x4", and is eager to get rid of it. Another buddy traded in a 2002 CR-V for a Jeep Patriot, and only got it since "it's a Jeep!". Now says "CR-V was better!" He had it from 2002-13, ya think!?? Edited April 27, 2016 by 630land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The Jeeps switch to a regular AT a year or two ago, right? (And Caliber has been dead for years) Jeep Compass and Patriot models with 2.0L gasoline engine are still paired to the Jatco CVT or Magna T355 manual transmission, while those with the 2.4L engine come with a traditional 6-speed automatic designed by Hyundai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The lovely Linda has a 2015 Subaru Forester with a CVT....she loves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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