range Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) Lincoln Defeats Lexus For immediate release - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 San Diego – Can a Ford beat a Toyota in Total Value? Yes! "Although Ford Motor Company obtained only four Total Value leadership positions over the past four years, in 2007 Ford has added three additional wins to its collection: the Lincoln MKX, Ford Edge and Expedition EL. The Lincoln MKX is especially worthy, as it outscored the undefeated Lexus RX350. Although the Lexus brand name offers its customers a stronger belief in reliability and durability, the MKX product characteristics and features, specifically in areas as interior design, quality and roominess, offered at a lower price, makes each dollar spent on the MKX a better choice than the RX350." ................ Edited October 26, 2007 by range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Lincoln Defeats Lexus For immediate release - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 San Diego – Can a Ford beat a Toyota in Total Value? Yes! "Although Ford Motor Company obtained only four Total Value leadership positions over the past four years, in 2007 Ford has added three additional wins to its collection: the Lincoln MKX, Ford Edge and Expedition EL. The Lincoln MKX is especially worthy, as it outscored the undefeated Lexus RX350. Although the Lexus brand name offers its customers a stronger belief in reliability and durability, the MKX product characteristics and features, specifically in areas as interior design, quality and roominess, offered at a lower price, makes each dollar spent on the MKX a better choice than the RX350." ................ Score another one, for Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Kind of a dippy award. VW wins only one category, but wins as best full line manufacturer. 1) Since when is VW a full line mfr? 2) How is it possible to win as best 'overall' manufacturer when only one of your products wins its category? I'm not a big fan of strategic vision's methods. They're an odd outfit. I mean by all means, push this award in advertising, but don't count on it as having any other value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Plus, I have a hard time believing "Value" when VW has been cronically unreliable. So where is the value when your dumping thousands of dollars into fixing the vehicle when the warranty is over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Why is Ford the only domestic in this category? Lexus has made it hot for years now but Lincoln is still the only one bothering with this segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Why is Ford the only domestic in this category? Lexus has made it hot for years now but Lincoln is still the only one bothering with this segment. Because Ford is the only domestic with a decent donor platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shllshck Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Why is Ford the only domestic in this category? Lexus has made it hot for years now but Lincoln is still the only one bothering with this segment. Well I would consider the Cadillac SRX in the same category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Well I would consider the Cadillac SRX in the same category. It's more expensive, bigger, and a 3-row vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Because Ford is the only domestic with a decent donor platform. GM has lots of fresh donor platforms, Caddy could clean some chronometers with their own version. Chrysler is hopeless so when I mean Domestic, I'm largely speaking of GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 GM has lots of fresh donor platforms Like............? Not Sigma, it's too expensive to turn into a CUV on the cheap. Not Zeta, it's not even here yet. And I'm thinking that Lambda & Epsilon were never engineered with a premium 2-row CUV in mind. That leaves you pretty much whatever GM's alpha-beta soup code is for the Vue, and I don't think that will scale up nicely to Cadillac quality, seeing that it's apparently already tipping the scales for its size and class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockFX Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Like............? Not Sigma, it's too expensive to turn into a CUV on the cheap. Not Zeta, it's not even here yet. And I'm thinking that Lambda & Epsilon were never engineered with a premium 2-row CUV in mind. That leaves you pretty much whatever GM's alpha-beta soup code is for the Vue, and I don't think that will scale up nicely to Cadillac quality, seeing that it's apparently already tipping the scales for its size and class. Lambda is too big. Epsilon could in theory, since taking the same platform that undermines the Malibu can't be much different from taking the platform that undermines the Fusion/Mazda6. I'm sure Mazda didn't design the CD platform with the Edge/CX-7 in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Actually, my understanding is that the current "lame duck" Epsilon platform does not support AWD. I believe that Epsilon II is supposed to support AWD. A CUV without the availability of AWD is useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Well, let's see... ...now that Ford's won another award, isn't some moron due here to accuse Ford of lacking any effort going forward? Our little bu-bu-butthead is running late! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Lambda is too big. Epsilon could in theory, since taking the same platform that undermines the Malibu can't be much different from taking the platform that undermines the Fusion/Mazda6. I'm sure Mazda didn't design the CD platform with the Edge/CX-7 in mind. CX-7 is 5 based, not 6. CX-9 is 6 based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockFX Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 CX-7 is 5 based, not 6. CX-9 is 6 based. Ok well point still stands about the Edge then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Well, let's see... ...now that Ford's won another award, isn't some moron due here to accuse Ford of lacking any effort going forward? Our little bu-bu-butthead is running late! Ford didn't win an award. Lincoln did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) Ford didn't win an award. Lincoln did. True but isn't the persistent mantra "Lincolns are just badged-engineered Fords"? Edited October 26, 2007 by TomServo92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 True but isn't the persistent mantra "Lincolns are just badged-engineered Fords"? Fords with un-necessary BLING! DEATH TO WATERFALL GRILLS.....barring the un-characteristic elegance of the MKR...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Ok well point still stands about the Edge then. Edge and Fusion were engineered roughly the same time. The Mazda6 may not have been an ideal starting point for an AWD CUV, but as has been noted, it -was- AWD capable and is a superior starting point than Epsilon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 True but isn't the persistent mantra "Lincolns are just badged-engineered Fords"? But if it has a different badge, it's technically a different product. Isn't it? I just want to play with Zan. Anything to rattle his cage. :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 But if it has a different badge, it's technically a different product. Isn't it? I just want to play with Zan. Anything to rattle his cage. :reading: True but don't all the little parts that go into a Lincoln have a little Ford oval on them? This is fun.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 True but don't all the little parts that go into a Lincoln have a little Ford oval on them? Not the Lincoln Badges. You right. This is fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) Ford didn't win an award. Lincoln did. Buyers rated the following vehicles tops in Total Value (TVI) in their segments: Segment Winner(s) TVI Score Small Car Toyota Yaris774 Honda Civic773 Honda Civic Hybrid 772** Small Multi-Function Toyota Yaris Hatchback 792 Medium Car Volkswagen Jetta 799 Medium Multi-Function Volvo V50 Wagon 755 Larger Car Hyundai Azera* 778 Near Luxury Car Acura TSX 799 Luxury Multi-Function Audi A3 768 Luxury Car Lexus LS 430* 802 Small Specialty Under $28,000 Mini Cooper* 824 Small Specialty Over $28,000 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe* 826 Mid-Specialty Car Honda Accord Coupe* 804 Convertibles Under $30,000 Mini Cooper Convertible* 802 Convertibles Over $30,000 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible* 812 Minivan Honda Odyssey 770 Small SUV Hyundai Santa Fe 781 Medium Crossover Ford Edge 764 Medium SUV Toyota 4Runner 762 Large SUV Ford Expedition EL 747 Near Luxury SUV Lincoln MKX 798 Luxury SUV Mercedes-Benz ML 777 Standard Pickup Truck Honda Ridgeline* 736 Full-Size Pickup Truck GMC Sierra 1500 747 Heavy Duty Pickup Truck GMC Sierra 2500/3500 Classic 694 ------ Yes they did, Ford won 2--- the Edge and Expedition EL, along w/ the MKX's award. Edited October 27, 2007 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Yes they did, Ford won 2--- the Edge and Expedition EL, along w/ the MKX's award. You don't see the fun, do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 True but don't all the little parts that go into a Lincoln have a little Ford oval on them? This is fun.... I know Acura vehicles have Honda emblems on their parts (at least the windshields ---thats all I noticed, but I didnt look for others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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