NLPRacing Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Not the Lincoln Badges. You right. This is fun! I bet the Lincoln badges have little Ford ovals molded on the back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I bet the Lincoln badges have little Ford ovals molded on the back... Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I bet the Lincoln badges have little Ford ovals molded on the back... Just like the motor, trans, glass, etc.... You don't see the fun of messin with Zan either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Just like the motor, trans, glass, etc.... You don't see the fun of messin with Zan either. I like messin' with both of you guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn704 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Edge and Fusion were engineered roughly the same time. The Mazda6 may not have been an ideal starting point for an AWD CUV, but as has been noted, it -was- AWD capable and is a superior starting point than Epsilon. Any Japanese platform is capable of AWD, most of JDM cars have an AWD option. The present and next generation Mazda6 offers AWD in Japan for an example, then there's the Honda Fit/Jazz. I think it's essential for Japan because of its climate. Anything is better than the Epsilon platform, I heard that the platform can't even offer navagation because its electric components can't handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Any Japanese platform is capable of AWD, most of JDM cars have an AWD option. The present and next generation Mazda6 offers AWD in Japan for an example, then there's the Honda Fit/Jazz. I think it's essential for Japan because of its climate. Anything is better than the Epsilon platform, I heard that the platform can't even offer navagation because its electric components can't handle it. I didn't mean to imply the Mazda6 wasn't AWD capable, rather that it wasn't intended, when originally engineered, to be turned into a CUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 (edited) Lincoln Defeats Lexus For immediate release - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 San Diego – Can a Ford beat a Toyota in Total Value? Yes! "Although Ford Motor Company obtained only four Total Value leadership positions over the past four years, in 2007 Ford has added three additional wins to its collection: the Lincoln MKX, Ford Edge and Expedition EL. The Lincoln MKX is especially worthy, as it outscored the undefeated Lexus RX350. Although the Lexus brand name offers its customers a stronger belief in reliability and durability, the MKX product characteristics and features, specifically in areas as interior design, quality and roominess, offered at a lower price, makes each dollar spent on the MKX a better choice than the RX350." ................ Hell my wife's Edge is more appealing even though it's in a different class by definition! I've seen it parker side by side with the RX, and the Edge has more ascetically pleasing body lines than both the RX and the MKX if you discount the knowledge that the other two are considered luxury vehicles! Edited October 28, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local1111 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I've seen it parker side by side with the RX, and the Edge has more ascetically pleasing body lines than both the RX and the MKX if you discount the knowledge that the other two are considered luxury vehicles! Side by side with the MKX, and it has better body lines? LOL LOL LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn704 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I didn't mean to imply the Mazda6 wasn't AWD capable, rather that it wasn't intended, when originally engineered, to be turned into a CUV. You probably are about half right, I might add that the JDM MPV's underpinning is similar to the CX-9 and it is a direct derivative of the Mazda6. One might agrue the differences between a minivan and a crossover, but it's a Mazda product and the MPV has never driven like a Sienna or a Grand Caravan. Anyways it seems like Ford's platforms are more flexible compared to GM's excluding the newer or soon to be launched ones. Most of Ford's CUV are based off of an existing car platform like the 626 for the Escape, the 6/Fusion for the Edge/CX-9. Ford didn't have to create a seperate unibody platform just for crossovers like with the GM Thetas and Lambdas. I think GM is becoming more sucessful with engineering crossover platforms or doing what Mazda did to the CX-7 putting different platforms together, the new Saab/Caddy crossover will be mix between the Espilson II and Theta like the CX-7 is a mix of C1 and CD3. Well the MKX deserves something, it's on an excellent platform, I personally haven't been in the MKX, but the Edge rides smoothly and the MKX is an Edge without all that hard plastic (sorry Edge fans.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Side by side with the MKX, and it has better body lines? LOL LOL LOL Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 (edited) Kind of a dippy award. VW wins only one category, but wins as best full line manufacturer. 1) Since when is VW a full line mfr? Since about 1995 I would say: - small sedan (Golf) - midsize sedan (Jetta) - fullsize sedan (Passat) - SUV (Touraeg) only thing lacking is a pick-em-up truck, which VW killed around 1988 with the ending of the Rabbit ? What is a full-line mfr in your eyes? Edited October 29, 2007 by Roadrunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 What is a full-line mfr in your eyes? Gotta have a pickup truck. Yer looking at roughly 4M+ units or about 25% of the total domestic market as pickup trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Gotta have a pickup truck. Yer looking at roughly 4M+ units or about 25% of the total domestic market as pickup trucks. I agree, in my book to be considered a full line manufacturer, you need some sort of pickup truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waymondospiff Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I didn't mean to imply the Mazda6 wasn't AWD capable, rather that it wasn't intended, when originally engineered, to be turned into a CUV. Im pretty sure the Mazda6 was engineered with its place in the Ford lineup in mind. The original plan was to have more than 10 vehicles running on the Mazda6/CD3 platform. That plan was killed when FofE (i.e. Volvo) didn't want to work with the Mazda chassis and instead chose to develop EUCD off of the C1 platform. But CD3 was designed with sedans, wagons, hatches, coupes, CUVs, and minivans in mind. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Side by side with the MKX, and it has better body lines? LOL LOL LOL The Lexus is more attractive than the MKX. I can't stand that mesh grille or the oversized tail lights in the MKX, but then again it does cost more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The Lexus is more attractive than the MKX. I can't stand that mesh grille or the oversized tail lights in the MKX, but then again it does cost more! I prefer the MKX, myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I prefer the MKX, myself. Likewise. I don't see the appeal of the RX. I did when it came out, but it still looks damn near the same all these years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Im pretty sure the Mazda6 was engineered with its place in the Ford lineup in mind. The original plan was to have more than 10 vehicles running on the Mazda6/CD3 platform. That plan was killed when FofE (i.e. Volvo) didn't want to work with the Mazda chassis and instead chose to develop EUCD off of the C1 platform. But CD3 was designed with sedans, wagons, hatches, coupes, CUVs, and minivans in mind. Scott CD3 was designed to support a number of derivatives, but the Mazda6 wasn't. The Mazda6, by all accounts, predates Ford's attempt to get their global house in order the first time (2001/2002), and was selected as the starting point for CD3 over the CDW220(?) Mondeo for a variety of reasons (including, I suppose, comparative age and competence). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I prefer the styling of the MKX over the RX350. Looks like the RX had 2 committees styling the front and rear. I have a friend who just bought an RX350 and seriously, I don't see anything particularly "good" about the vehicle. I was shocked of how loud the vehicle is at highway speeds. The ill fitting panels and trim pieces are un-excusable on such a vehicle. Cheap headliner as well and some bits and some other pieces. It's probably selling on reputations and commonly used by realtors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) When is the RX up for a redesign anyhow? Like the ES it strikes me as something that appeals to an old woman that thinks she has it all. Edited October 31, 2007 by Michael Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 an old woman that thinks she has it all. Is this the lady who's sure all that glitters is gold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) I suppose no one on this tread has a bias! :D I also work at Ford but I have to be objective, I said it's more attractive not that I would buy one. I will never own an import, regardless of what happens to the remainder of my career at Ford. I'm not saying I would never buy another domestic though but at present without bias there is not another automaker that builds something that I like, with the exception of maybe the unreleased Challenger or Camaro. If not for the lifetime limited warranty the challenger would be out of the question though despite the fact that it is more true to it's ancestor!! Edited November 3, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guesswhoscomingtodinner Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Lincoln Defeats Lexus For immediate release - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 San Diego – Can a Ford beat a Toyota in Total Value? Yes! "Although Ford Motor Company obtained only four Total Value leadership positions over the past four years, in 2007 Ford has added three additional wins to its collection: the Lincoln MKX, Ford Edge and Expedition EL. The Lincoln MKX is especially worthy, as it outscored the undefeated Lexus RX350. Although the Lexus brand name offers its customers a stronger belief in reliability and durability, the MKX product characteristics and features, specifically in areas as interior design, quality and roominess, offered at a lower price, makes each dollar spent on the MKX a better choice than the RX350." ................ What a lame award. To declare the value brand Lincoln Edge as having more value than a Luxury SUV like the Lexus is comical at best. DUH :boring: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 What a lame award. To declare the value brand Lincoln Edge as having more value than a Luxury SUV like the Lexus is comical at best. DUH :boring: And what exactly makes the Lexus RX a "luxury SUV" over the Highlander that the MKX doesn't have over the Edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 And what exactly makes the Lexus RX a "luxury SUV" over the Highlander that the MKX doesn't have over the Edge? I was going to ask the same question. Such a double standard is applied to Ford vs. Toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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