silvrsvt Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Everybody keeps saying 2011 model year for the F-150 and Mustang, since the 08's just came out, using my math that's 3 years from now, 3 years for engines that should have been out years ago. Can you imagine how bad the media is going to rip Ford for doing the same carry over engine crap again? And having the least power in the segment? Will anybody care in 3 years?How is the F-150 going to compete with 6.1 Hemi's, 6.2L LSX's? How is the Mustangs little 4.6L engine going to compete with 5.7, 6.1, and 6.4L Hemi's? How is it going to compete against 6.0, 6.2L LSX's??? So what happens if Ford does come out with new powertrains between now and then? Nothing is set in stone and it seems like your grabbing the most dire/gloom and doom prediction you got your hands on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 ...Everyone has to understand why these projects are taking extra time getting to market. It was becasue of these feifdoms (Modular Mafia and others) , poor management, and no leadership plain and simple... I would also add a lack of engineering manpower, at least on the PTE side of the shop. Hold on to your hats, PTE Management, (Manager, Asst Chief, Chief, Director and VP have a combined less than 8 years of experience on their current job assignment) are about to turn the blender up to high speed and mix up things even more ! Can't say more until I loosen some lips at the upcoming Christmas parties :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Yea, I had thought it was for 09 too, only recently found out it was 2010, that doesn't really bother me as much as the fact that even though the car has been delayed another year, the new engines STILL won't make launch, just like the new F-150. All the new engines we thought would start coming out next year won't be here for another 3 years, so it's gonna be a long, frustrating wait for us Ford fans, and ford is going to get it's ass kicked by the competition once again. And it changes my car purchase plans, with news of a DI 5.0L engine coming to the Mustang, and some other interesting cars coming out, I was hoping now that my car is paid off next spring that I could snag a new Mustang, not interested now, I won't waste my money on a underpowered Mustang.. What we are witnessing is one of the biggest "crap shoots" in the industry ! A big part of "The Way Forward" plan, is the experiment that says, the customers are more interested in new sheet metal or new interiors than a "whole new package". So hang some new sheet metal and/or a new interior on an old "platform" (the '08 Taurus and MKS are on the old S80 platform) possibly with an old powertrain and see if the public is gullible enough to buy it. New powertrains (engines, transmissions) will be added "when they are ready". Of course this causes quite a bit of "churn" in some engineering departments. How many ancillary parts (wiring harnesses, hose, bracket, exhaust components) had to be re-engineered after only 2 years when they swapped the D35 for the D30 in the Five Hundred/Taurus (I'm not saying they should have stayed with the D30 or that ridiculously overpriced CVT) The Way Forward started pre-Mullaly. If Ford rolls snake eyes (poor sales on MKS, '09 F150) it may be their last time "at the line" (Been hanging' around the Detroit casinos too much ! :shades: ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Orders flood in for 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8® source: Chrysler Media Blog What has muscle cars fans squealing like teenage girls at a Hannah Montana concert? Try the all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8®. Just in the first DAY of orders, more than 4,300 people plunked down a deposit for the American muscle coupe. And more than 6,000 have made deposits with dealers since orders opened on Monday, months before the limited-edition Challenger SRT8 goes into production. “This is unprecedented,” said Mark Mallie, Challenger Brand Manager – Dodge Marketing. “Customers were actually coming to us and pushing us, so we thought this was a good time to take pre-sale orders.” Orders are still coming in – long before enthusiasts have even seen the car. They’ll have to wait until the production Dodge Challenger SRT8 makes its debut at the Chicago Auto Show next February. But there’s no surprise about the benchmark performance of the Challenger SRT8. Each is powered by a 6.1-liter HEMI V-8, and features a numbered dash plaque, plus dual “carbon-fiber” hood stripes that harken back to the original Dodge Challenger. The car is available in black, silver or HEMI orange. “More than half of the orders are HEMI Orange,” Mallie said. “It’s been almost 35 years since the last Challenger, and there’s a lot of interest. There’s a lot of people anxious for it. It’s certainly an iconic muscle car.” The manufacturer’s suggested retail price is $37,995, including a $675 destination fee. Remember – this is a SRT, delivering top-of-the-line performance, world-class ride and handling, benchmark braking and a race-inspired interior. Pricing on the rest of the Challenger lineup will be announced at a later date. Since pricing was announced on Nov. 29, Web site traffic to www.Dodge.com has spiked up 23 percent, Mallie said. The muscle car wars start next spring, when deliveries begin for the Challenger SRT8. But later this week, muscle car fans will have more to squeal about, when we release some eye candy. Check back here later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Orders flood in for 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8® source: Chrysler Media Blog What has muscle cars fans squealing like teenage girls at a Hannah Montana concert? Try the all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8®. Just in the first DAY of orders, more than 4,300 people plunked down a deposit for the American muscle coupe. And more than 6,000 have made deposits with dealers since orders opened on Monday, months before the limited-edition Challenger SRT8 goes into production. “This is unprecedented,” said Mark Mallie, Challenger Brand Manager – Dodge Marketing. “Customers were actually coming to us and pushing us, so we thought this was a good time to take pre-sale orders.” Orders are still coming in – long before enthusiasts have even seen the car. They’ll have to wait until the production Dodge Challenger SRT8 makes its debut at the Chicago Auto Show next February. But there’s no surprise about the benchmark performance of the Challenger SRT8. Each is powered by a 6.1-liter HEMI V-8, and features a numbered dash plaque, plus dual “carbon-fiber” hood stripes that harken back to the original Dodge Challenger. The car is available in black, silver or HEMI orange. “More than half of the orders are HEMI Orange,” Mallie said. “It’s been almost 35 years since the last Challenger, and there’s a lot of interest. There’s a lot of people anxious for it. It’s certainly an iconic muscle car.” The manufacturer’s suggested retail price is $37,995, including a $675 destination fee. Remember – this is a SRT, delivering top-of-the-line performance, world-class ride and handling, benchmark braking and a race-inspired interior. Pricing on the rest of the Challenger lineup will be announced at a later date. Since pricing was announced on Nov. 29, Web site traffic to www.Dodge.com has spiked up 23 percent, Mallie said. The muscle car wars start next spring, when deliveries begin for the Challenger SRT8. But later this week, muscle car fans will have more to squeal about, when we release some eye candy. Check back here later. Demand= added dealer markup= a lot of refunded deposits...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Production teaser shots From Jalopnik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Production teaser shots From Jalopnik LOVE the wheels....car I like better than the camaro too...MUCH more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 (edited) Here the rest of the pamphlet..shows the entire car (full shot is the concept still): http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/2008DodgeChallengerDealer/ Edited December 6, 2007 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 I'd hope they have a big demand for the car, but after 2-3 yrs in production they'll have huge incentives on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Production teaser shots From Jalopnik Okay. That fuel door is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on a production car. It's about as silly as the "eject button" cigarette lighters I've seen. "FUEL" No shit, Sherlock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Okay. That fuel door is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on a production car. It's about as silly as the "eject button" cigarette lighters I've seen. "FUEL" No shit, Sherlock. Kinda makes you wonder if they embroidered "ASS" on all the seat bottoms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Okay. That fuel door is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on a production car. It's about as silly as the "eject button" cigarette lighters I've seen. "FUEL" No shit, Sherlock. Kinda makes you wonder if they embroidered "ASS" on all the seat bottoms... Actually, they HAD to do it. With all the Mustang owners trading in their cars on the Challenger, they wanted to let them know it wasn't some fake plastic decorative gas cap. :hysterical: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 With all the Mustang owners trading in their cars on the Challenger Name one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Name one. No problem, his name is Sarcasm...and he was all over my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Same pictures we saw sneak-peeked yesterday, now in HIGH-RES goodness. Click the pics for FULL-SIZED wallpapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 I'll have to say that I don't really care for the "FUEL" label, but I detest the fake chrome, plastic, non-functional gas cap on the Mustangs even more. All in all, I think the Challenger is shaping up very nicely. Of course, its just one additional car I won't be getting anytime soon, but its sweet none the less...coming from a longtime Mustang fanatic. Like what they did with the grille, the wheels look nice, the chrome tips...very good job, Dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Okay. That fuel door is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on a production car. It's about as silly as the "eject button" cigarette lighters I've seen. Eject button cigarette lighters?? Wha ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 GT500s will have a nice diet of SRT8s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Eject button cigarette lighters?? Wha ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Look at a '69 Charger and you will see "FUEL" on the gas cap. Dodge just forgot which car they were rehashing. Or maybe they're trying to make up for the hideous styling of the current Charger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Well, I would suppose that the Challenger is retribution for making the Charger a four door. Lots of folks seem to have calmed down and accepted the Charger now as a four door, but for those that need something to help them forget...well, the Challenger is rather sweet. As for the death from the Shelby, sort of to be expected. They'll weigh pretty close, but the 6.1L naturally aspirated is no match for a supercharged 5.4L. However, they still have that 500hp 6.4L Hemi waiting in the wings. It would be a tough call right now. I think a Challenger is a lot more eye-grabbing than the Shelby, but as a die-hard Mustang enthusiasts, it would be hard to push away a Shelby GT-500. Make mine red with the white LeMans stripes, black leather interior, fully loaded for $38k and I'll forget about the Dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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