MADD wants Sutherland pulled from Ford ads

[J-150]

I know that. I'm just surprised that (on this board, at least) people still find it socially acceptable to risk their own and others lives just because they want a buzz.

 

 

or risk others lives because they are way too important to not talk on a cell or are too bored with driving so they fiddle with the radio or can't get up earlier so they eat their breakfast behind the wheel or put on makeup while driving.

 

they say 2 beers slows down your reaction time. So does a 30 year old with 2 beers have slower reaction time than a 75 year old? Or a Mom more concerned with the kids in the back of her minivan? Or the guy not even looking at the road because he's texting?

 

Face it, drinking and driving is just politican brownie points for the MADD voting bloc. I have yet to see the evidence where 2 beers is more dangerous than many driving behaviours out there that the elected poiticians are guilty of.

[BlackHorse]

I SAY KEEP KIEFER IN THERE!! It's time Ford grew some balls and did something edgey. It appeals to real human beings.

 

FIGHT THE POWER KIEFER!!

 

 

 

 

[SVT_MAN]

or risk others lives because they are way too important to not talk on a cell or are too bored with driving so they fiddle with the radio or can't get up earlier so they eat their breakfast behind the wheel or put on makeup while driving.

 

they say 2 beers slows down your reaction time. So does a 30 year old with 2 beers have slower reaction time than a 75 year old? Or a Mom more concerned with the kids in the back of her minivan? Or the guy not even looking at the road because he's texting?

 

Face it, drinking and driving is just politican brownie points for the MADD voting bloc. I have yet to see the evidence where 2 beers is more dangerous than many driving behaviours out there that the elected poiticians are guilty of.

 

If you are drunk behind the wheel, the major difference is that you're impaired the ENTIRE time you're behind the wheel. If you are texting, cellphoning, eating cheeseburgers - you name it - those are all actions you can stop if you want. Are they dangerous? YES! Are they stupid to do behind the wheel? YES! Should they be done behind the wheel? NO! But at least you have your full faculties back when you stop whatever activity you're doing that is impairing. You can't stop or turn off "drunk" .. the only thing that turns off "drunk" is time.

 

I'm not sure if I want states to start statutes that lay out everything you can and can't do in a car. I think that driver's education is where change needs to happen. I just took driver's ed about 5 years ago. I remember learning about a lot of things, but no one ever told me not to use my cellphone, eat a cheeseburger, etc. Sure, kids don't listen to adults that much, but maybe if they were faced with some scare tactics they'd remember better. (Then again, the effectiveness of those same scare tactics on kids with drunk driving doesn't seem to help that much either.)

Edited December 11, 2007 by SVT_MAN

[suv_guy_19]

Driving drunk is pure stupidity and there is no reason to do it! There are other ways to get home that do not involve endangering your own life or the life of others. When you have been drinking, you should not be the one to decide whether or not you are fit to drive. People really have no idea when they are really drunk. They always think that they are fine....they're not, and because if it others aren't. There is no reason for it.

[BlackHorse]

OH Shhhhaaaddduuuuuuuppp. Boo Fuckin Hoo. Drinking and driving is bad. Waaaaa. You'll be the same fuckers that sit around and bitch about the fact that the government won't legalize marijuana. lol

[SVT_MAN]

Yeah, uh huh, riiiight. I won't / don't drink alcohol, but I will smoke a joint .. now there's a concept to behold. (Just FYI, I have never touched either.)

 

Not to mention the fact that most pro-marijuana people are civil liberties advocates who, in some cases, think everything should be legal. Most say that anything that doesn't hurt someone else should be legal, but some even say that everything should be legal and the government is overstepping its bounds. My view is that most laws exist for a reason ... e.g. to protect people from their own stupidity.

Edited December 11, 2007 by SVT_MAN

[Pioneer]

 

[suv_guy_19]

This really has me confused. I have no idea how there can be any reasonable answer except to say that drinking and driving is wrong. I hate both drugs and alcohol but have to tolerate peoples use of alcohol. I should not however have to tolerate them on the roads. Example

 

Calgary police have laid charges against the driver of a concrete truck after a crash that killed two adults and three children on Friday night.

 

Daniel Tschetter, 50, of Cochrane, Alta., faces five counts of dangerous driving causing death and one count of failing to provide a breath sample, Insp. Luch Berti said.

 

Tschetter was formally charged Saturday morning. He is to appear in provincial court in Calgary on Thursday.

 

Police said the truck collided with a 1999 Chrysler Intrepid that was stopped at Macleod Trail and 194th Avenue Southwest around 7 p.m. Friday. The car ended up lodged underneath the truck and was pushed for about a third of a kilometre.

 

"Although the investigation is in its preliminary stages, what we know from witnesses is the vehicle in which the five occupants were killed was stationary at a red light and was travelling northbound into the city of Calgary," Insp. Guy Slater told CBC News.

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"The vehicle was then basically pushed for about 300 metres and the [concrete] truck appears to have driven over the top of it, leaving an incredible debris field over that distance," he said.

Excessive speed and alcohol are believed to have played a role in the crash, police allege.

 

All five occupants of the car were pronounced dead at the scene on Macleod Trail.

 

The people who were in the mid-sized car have only been identified as a 41-year-old man, a 33-year-old woman, girls aged six and nine, and a 16-month-old boy.

 

From Story: Calgary police charge concrete truck driver after deadly crash

Edited December 11, 2007 by suv_guy_19

[Pioneer]

 

 

[Pioneer]

 

 

[Fordowner]

well its interesting to see people (some using unnecessary vulgarities) classify those who have a problem with what some feel is MADD going overboard and politicians going for the brownie points.

 

Plain and simple .08 I don't feel is drunk or impaired. So I don't feel MADD was right to push it, and I don't respect their group for other stands they have taken. Yes .08 is the law and we are all responsible for following laws.

 

Yes I agree Drunk driving should not be tolerated - not sure what the point of the article was except to state the obvious that vehicles are dangerous and one should drive with full attention and abilities.

 

All I'm saying is I don't agree with the political pandering, I don't agree with MADD and I do agree with taking those who can't properly control their vehicles off of the road. Oh and while I don't agree with MADD i'm not calling them Assholes, that really doesn't add anything of value to the debate.

 

But speaking of .........les, those large SUV's create an unacceptable danger for those like myself that are in smaller vehicles.

[suv_guy_19]

But speaking of .........les, those large SUV's create an unacceptable danger for those like myself that are in smaller vehicles.

 

Because no one would ever have any use for a big vehicle :rolleyes: and IMO, .08 is too high already.

[Noah Harbinger]

OH Shhhhaaaddduuuuuuuppp. Boo Fuckin Hoo. Drinking and driving is bad. Waaaaa. You'll be the same fuckers that sit around and bitch about the fact that the government won't legalize marijuana. lol

 

I'll bet even if he was a pothead (though seriously, how many potheads don't drink at all?), he wouldn't want people driving high. This isn't about what you do in your living room or a bar -- I've been completely drunk more times than I can remember.

 

But frankly I wish anyone caught with a BAC over 0.12 could be shot on site.

 

Drunk drivers account for only a small percent of drivers, but are responsible for nearly half of all driving deaths. It's like a perpetual mass murder.

 

In most of Europe the legal limit is 0.05; In Russia - no stranger to strong drink - the legal limit is 0.03; in a handful of countries, it's zero.

 

By the way, if anyone has wondered, a driving simulator study showed people talking on cell phones were as prone to accidents as other drivers with a 0.04% BAC.

Edited December 11, 2007 by Noah Harbinger

[Noah Harbinger]

OH Shhhhaaaddduuuuuuuppp. Boo Fuckin Hoo. Drinking and driving is bad. Waaaaa. You'll be the same fuckers that sit around and bitch about the fact that the government won't legalize marijuana. lol

 

Oh yeah -- and I bet you're one of the same fuckers who always sits around and bitches about how there's no such thing as personal responsibility anymore.

[Michael Reynolds]

Anyone that drinks has done it, BUT taking personal responsibility and not doing it in excess or driving when you know better is an entirely different thing.

 

I mean hell I drink: the Yard House, Crown and assorted Vodkas are the cat's pajamas. What I'm not willing to do is go overboard when I know I have to drive. I'm 6'3" 200 lbs, I know how liquor runs through my system. Meaning that one stiff drink, or even two over a gradual period of time is acceptable.

 

Just be responsible folks, and use common sense! :beerchug:

[BlackHorse]

Oh yeah -- and I bet you're one of the same fuckers who always sits around and bitches about how there's no such thing as personal responsibility anymore.

 

Did you really just start that sentence with "oh yeah" like we are two 3rd graders taunting each other on the school yard playgrouond? LOL

 

For the record, no, I'm not "one of those same fuckers". I'm one of those fuckers that gets stuck helping clean up the mess after some drunken asswipe takes out some poor mommy and her two kids on the highway somewhere. I'm well aware of the problems of drinking and driving. Eighteen to twenty thousand people a year. That's how many will die because of DUI related car accidents in the United States. We have protests because a little over 3000 soldiers have died in 4 years of combat in Iraq. Think about that. At least the soldiers die doing something noble. Who grieves and protests the soccer moms and the innocent dads and the teenage kids who get mutilated so bad you can't even let their family members see the body when they show up to the scene? Who? So you know, I just find it funny how everyone else around here preaches about it like they've been there and done that. Call me jaded I guess.

Edited December 11, 2007 by BlackHorse

[Deanh]

Did you really just start that sentence with "oh yeah" like we are two 3rd graders taunting each other on the school yard playgrouond? LOL

 

For the record, no, I'm not "one of those same fuckers". I'm one of those fuckers that gets stuck helping clean up the mess after some drunken asswipe takes out some poor mommy and her two kids on the highway somewhere. I'm well aware of the problems of drinking and driving. Eighteen to twenty thousand people a year. That's how many will die because of DUI related car accidents in the United States. We have protests because a little over 3000 soldiers have died in 4 years of combat in Iraq. Think about that. At least the soldiers die doing something noble. Who grieves and protests the soccer moms and the innocent dads and the teenage kids who get mutilated so bad you can't even let their family members see the body when they show up to the scene? Who? So you know, I just find it funny how everyone else around here preaches about it like they've been there and done that. Call me jaded I guess.

sorry to say this but this society THRIVES on notoriety and gossip...look at the publics obsession with such losers as OJ, Michael Vick, Brittney Spears, Paris...yadda yadda yadda......

[MGallun]

The state does a great job of defining drunk for you. 0.08

 

Just curious ... if you were able to successfully operate a motor vehicle at 0.08, and you had perfect control your vehicle and movements, then why did you get pulled over? Was the police officer profiling you? Did he see you leave a party and follow you until you did something wrong? Did he pull you over because he was bored?

 

I'm expecting to hear that you didn't run stop signs, you weren't weaving in your lane, you were in full control, and you drove like a boy scout all the way home. This leaves .. speeding. Maybe I'm crazy, but if you knew you had alcohol in your system, then why would you speed? Seems like a given that you wouldn't speed.

 

My point: I'm not understanding why you are blaming the state for catching your drunk driving. You know that the legal limit is 0.08. So, like it or not, you were driving drunk according to statute, whether you feel you were in control or not ...

 

I know you are saying that people way above the limit should be treated worse than those who are lower. But, why? You are both driving drunk as defined by the state ...

 

Pulled me over for no front liscense plate and dark tinted, windows, i looked suspicous.. i was going one way, he the other, as we drove passed he just jammed on his brakes and did a u-turn.. came to my car, asked me to do abc's backwards, i failed that like any sober person probably would anyways... then proceeded to have me do them stupid tricks that sober i couldnt do... the system is broken.. it has nothing to do with being worried about other people... its a freaking cash cow for local and state government run agencies and insurance companies.. they hang out at bars waiting for somebody to get in there car and follow them, they say thats intrapment, but when they go to court they make up other statements, and of course judge will take the word of a sheriff instead of somebody who was at the bar and had 3 drinks in 2 hours... its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.. thats it.

[Automotive Paint]

Canada has a problem with Ford using America's favorite world saving midget because he has a non-accident non-injury simple DUI or two on his record but it doesn't have a problem with Ford specifically advertising and catering to the sodomites?

 

Sounds like the socialist moral majority up there isn't very consistent.

[NickF1011]

Canada has a problem with Ford using America's favorite world saving midget because he has a non-accident non-injury simple DUI or two on his record but it doesn't have a problem with Ford specifically advertising and catering to the sodomites?

 

Sounds like the socialist moral majority up there isn't very consistent.

 

No, most people just don't give a shit about their advertising in gay publications.

[suv_guy_19]

Canada has a problem with Ford using America's favorite world saving midget because he has a non-accident non-injury simple DUI or two on his record but it doesn't have a problem with Ford specifically advertising and catering to the sodomites?

 

Sounds like the socialist moral majority up there isn't very consistent.

 

 

First, Keifer Sutherland is a Canadian. Second, your statement is uninformed and just plain dumb. We are not a socialist country and if we are I really like socialism.

[matthewq4b]

Anyone that drinks has done it, BUT taking personal responsibility and not doing it in excess or driving when you know better is an entirely different thing.

 

I mean hell I drink: the Yard House, Crown and assorted Vodkas are the cat's pajamas. What I'm not willing to do is go overboard when I know I have to drive. I'm 6'3" 200 lbs, I know how liquor runs through my system. Meaning that one stiff drink, or even two over a gradual period of time is acceptable.

 

Just be responsible folks, and use common sense! :beerchug:

 

Well put Michael

 

I grew up in time when there was no specific laws regarding drunk driving, Thursdays Fridays and Saturday were some pretty hair raising days to be driving late at night.

 

I drink almost never to excess. I know my limits when it is not safe for me to drive. The 0.08 is a blanket law some people at that level function better than others do stone cold sober. But a law was needed to curb the carnage caused by individuals with out enough common sense not to get behind the wheel when they were plastered.

 

This is the compromise that was reached. That is why it is not longer A DUI but driving with a blood alcohol level over 0.08.

It is not an issue of being drunk or impaired or what not.

 

I was charged with a blood alcohol over 0.08 several years back. (this was before they seized your car and license on the spot) $5K later I was acquitted. The road side tech used is questionable at best and any half decent lawyer prove that. By the time they got me to the station I was blowing under. So I had a case. Was I impaired not in the least and the officer stated at trial that I did not appear impaired.

 

But I was not charged with Impaired but with blowing over 0.08.

 

The law is driving with a blood alcohol over 0.08. Even brewery workers that have consumed no alcohol have been convicted of a blood alcohol over 0.08 while driving home from work. In Canada there is still Driving while impaired on the books but it used for drivers that are impaired either through drug use legal or illegal or fatigue or fail to blow over 0.08 and are clearly impared lets face there are people that get plastered of one beer and they will blow under 0.08.

 

Whether Keifer was impaired or not is not the issue. No one can prove he was impaired but he was over the limit.

 

Keifer should have not got behind the wheel and it not the first time he has done this either and no anti drunk driving organization said anything previously. MADD would be completely hypocritical if they did not say something this time. They pretty much had to given their mandate.

And it is not like he could not afford a cab or a full time driver even. So there is no excuse and again this is not the first time he has done this. And it does present an issue for Ford's marketing dept.

 

Matthew

Edited December 11, 2007 by matthewq4b

[Michael Reynolds]

Canada has a problem with Ford using America's favorite world saving midget because he has a non-accident non-injury simple DUI or two on his record but it doesn't have a problem with Ford specifically advertising and catering to the sodomites?

 

Sounds like the socialist moral majority up there isn't very consistent.

 

WTF do homosexuals have to do with someone getting arrested for a DUI. Nevermind, I forgot they spread gay germs to all....

[Deanh]

WTF do homosexuals have to do with someone getting arrested for a DUI. Nevermind, I forgot they spread gay germs to all....

homophobes.....hey, i heard Mel Gibson is in an advertisement for Kosher turkeys....

[BlackHorse]

Pulled me over for no front liscense plate and dark tinted, windows, i looked suspicous.. i was going one way, he the other, as we drove passed he just jammed on his brakes and did a u-turn.. came to my car, asked me to do abc's backwards, i failed that like any sober person probably would anyways... then proceeded to have me do them stupid tricks that sober i couldnt do... the system is broken.. it has nothing to do with being worried about other people... its a freaking cash cow for local and state government run agencies and insurance companies.. they hang out at bars waiting for somebody to get in there car and follow them, they say thats intrapment, but when they go to court they make up other statements, and of course judge will take the word of a sheriff instead of somebody who was at the bar and had 3 drinks in 2 hours... its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.. thats it.

 

The battery of tests is just so that it can be clearly demonstrated in court that you were under the influence. The real test is the one where they have you follow the pen with your eyes. That tells them everything. After that it's all a show. Additionally once they do the FST they have to take you to the station and perform a breathalizer on you. If you pass that they might still book you for DUI but they know they have no case. Nine times out of ten if the breathalizer says you're sober the case gets dropped.