TomServo92 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 In all seriousness how many people rent alot of cars every year? people are lucky to go on vacation once a year that requires the use of a rental car... How about for business use? There are plenty of people who travel for business and rent cars every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 as to crash test results, I remember seeing that the CV is rear-tested at 60 mph. no other car is similarly tested. I personally believe the fact the Panther is tested for 75+ MPH rear collisions gives it a nose up over the "Safest Car in America" the Taurus...but you'll never see Ford say that in a Panther commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I personally believe the fact the Panther is tested for 75+ MPH rear collisions gives it a nose up over the "Safest Car in America" the Taurus...but you'll never see Ford say that in a Panther commercial. Think about that for a second... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Think about that for a second... Think about what... A. Ford has not run a Panther commercial this decade. B. Even if they did they wouldn't say anything that might actually coax a civilian in to buy a Panther. Yet, Ford has no probs pushing the D3's safety record in a D3 commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) oh God get over the damn CV. Soldiers are dying in this war for oil, and the old farts want this old fucking car to stay forever since it reminds them of the 60's cheap gas days. Also, stop expecting big gas hogs to entertain you and give you hard ons. Edited January 17, 2008 by 630land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder2299of7839 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 the only place we are fighting for oil is in Alaska against flat-earth-worshippers. obviously you haven't driven a modern American car. FWD platforms are great for commuter use, and low-miles per year apps. many people don't live in the city and have to drive 50-90k miles per year. that driving situation sucks in a FWD vehicle. most people revert to SUVs to get away from small cars, but a few prefer a comfortable sedan. why that irritates you is beyond me. sedan envy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder2299of7839 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 besides my town car gets 25c/30h fuel mileage, and the other panthers are all E85 compatible (except the peoples republic of California) how is that so much worse than a Taurus. it get what 2 mpg better? and lasts 200k less? owning a panther is likely much better for the world than 99% of small disposable cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 besides my town car gets 25c/30h fuel mileage, and the other panthers are all E85 compatible (except the peoples republic of California) I'd like to know how your City MPG is better then whats on the EPA website for the Town car..your prob just talking out of your ass again how is that so much worse than a Taurus. it get what 2 mpg better? and lasts 200k less? owning a panther is likely much better for the world than 99% of small disposable cars. Who give less then a flying fuck if the car lasts 200K, most people don't even drive that much with a car in the cars lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) the only place we are fighting for oil is in Alaska against flat-earth-worshippers. obviously you haven't driven a modern American car. FWD platforms are great for commuter use, and low-miles per year apps. many people don't live in the city and have to drive 50-90k miles per year. that driving situation sucks in a FWD vehicle. most people revert to SUVs to get away from small cars, but a few prefer a comfortable sedan. why that irritates you is beyond me. sedan envy? Are you a fucking serious?...driving 50-90K a year? Thats next to impossibe to do unless your driving 100 miles one way to work and if your doing that your a friggen idiot.. Here is a website about driving trends in America, and its pretty interesting though some of the info is out of date: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/rtecs/chapter3.html The best figures I've seen for driving a car range anywhere from 10K-20K for a yearly basis. I know I do about 15-18K a year myself, and thats just mostly driving approxmently 25 miles one way to work and going other places. My old man used to do 40 miles one way to work and just to work and his 98 Ranger has just over 120K on it, but he quit commuting in 2004. He also put 120K on a 92 Escort and roughly the same mileage on a 86 Escort GT with zero complants about it sucking just because it was FWD car. If anything its nicer to drive a FWD vs a RWD car in my experance commuting. Edited January 17, 2008 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim kakouris Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 every post here degenerates into a fucking panther spat. i wish the lovers of that damn car would go over to pantherlovers.net and let the rest here have some peace. seriously, richard, do we HAVE to let every thread be a panther pissing match? this is worse than the lemon days, or back when hemisbc would turn every post into a "compare it to dodge" post. how is this any different than when tommy toyota posts? it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Before the Fed was established 1) panics and depressions occurred about once every 10 years, and 2) monetary policy was in the hands of men like JP Morgan. It's not as though the Fed created duties for itself, rather, it assumed certain responsibilities that, prior to its inception, were handled by truly private enterprise. Read this article. It's fascinating, if somewhat dense. http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/sp...717/default.htm Before the FEDs: 70% of banks were mom and pop shops loaning out to the mases. 30% of banks were the huge JP Morgans and such did not like seeing their market share shrink and shrink with nothing they could do about it. In Fact, it was because the JPs were loosing market share to the small mom and pop banks that several uber rich people got together to protect and increase their holdings. Have you read about Jeckyll Island? Just Yahoo! it. But here is one. It should cause you to have at the very least some questions. http://www.frugalfun.com/jekylisland.html http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1882 Panics occurred on very small scales. Any one bank or possibly grouping/aligned banks. In fact, that is why small mom and pop shops aligned so that they could have more regional stability. But they were not multi nationals trying to rule the world. Panics were very localized or regional at most. A depression was a mathematical impossibility. Bankers cared about their locals and locals cared about their bankers. Depressions Never happened prior to the FEDs. The FEDS were supposed to be the ones to prevent a Depression from ever occurring, but in fact they admit that they are the leading cause of the Great Depression. JP Morgan controlled little money prior to the FED. It is the FED that gave him and a very few others a total flip flop of control over money. The railroads, like big oil, and others were put in their places over time. Just like Ma Bell was, etc. We have done the opposite with the banking system in the US. Who do you think the Old Money in the country is? It is the Bankers. You may not recognize their names. But it is the Bankers that run this set up pure and simple. I read some of your link. It does not strike you funny how some accounting rules are bogus? How they use terms in the banking system that does not make sense to even those that work within the system? That the whole think is smoke and mirrors? Further, per that document, the FEDS had no specific mandate for 40 years dohhhhhh! "The specific mandate for the Federal Reserve was first added to the Federal Reserve Act in 1977, although that same language had been included in a 1975 concurrent resolution of the Congress. The 1977 amendment required the Board of Governors and the FOMC to "maintain the growth of monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy's long-run potential to increase production, so as to promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates." This language makes the objective of price stability explicit. Because the Fed can contribute to moderate long-term interest rates principally by achieving low and stable inflation, that objective is generally not viewed as an independent one. In addition, the goal of maximum employment is usually interpreted as maximum sustainable employment--meaning the highest level of employment that can be maintained without upward pressure on inflation. The mandate is therefore interpreted as a dual mandate: full employment and price stability." "The Federal Reserve has not set an explicit, numerical objective for inflation. Paul Volcker offered the following definition of price stability in 1983:..." The only people that wanted this FED banking system was the huge JP Banks that only had a small % of the market. This is not a system for the small guy. This is a system that made housing unattainable for many in a huge country of open land. It is what made rich families significantly richer and more powerful. And it was all doctored up on Jeckyll Island in secrecy was not a system designed by the Govt and its people for the govt and its people. It was designed by JP'ers. Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT_MAN Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Are you a fucking serious?...driving 50-90K a year? Thats next to impossibe to do unless your driving 100 miles one way to work and if your doing that your a friggen idiot.. Here is a website about driving trends in America, and its pretty interesting though some of the info is out of date: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/rtecs/chapter3.html The best figures I've seen for driving a car range anywhere from 10K-20K for a yearly basis. I know I do about 15-18K a year myself, and thats just mostly driving approxmently 25 miles one way to work and going other places. My old man used to do 40 miles one way to work and just to work and his 98 Ranger has just over 120K on it, but he quit commuting in 2004. He also put 120K on a 92 Escort and roughly the same mileage on a 86 Escort GT with zero complants about it sucking just because it was FWD car. If anything its nicer to drive a FWD vs a RWD car in my experance commuting. Some people have no choice BUT to drive 100 miles to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Depressions Never happened prior to the FEDs. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Some people have no choice BUT to drive 100 miles to work. This is the case more often than people think. I'll share a story. I went to school in Scranton, PA, which was on the northern end of the Pocono Mountains. Currently, there is an interesting situation developing in the region, from the Wyoming Valley (Scranton+Wilkes Barre) all the way down to Mt Pocono and Stroudsburg. With constant chatter of a commuter rail line opening to NYC, real estate developers in the Poconos began advertising in NYC papers, namely the Post. They were building these housing developments, and with the badly depressed economic situation in Northeast PA, people could buy a decent house, with the mortgage payment ending up less than what they were paying for their crumbling apartments in Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx, as well as being able to give their kids a taste of the suburban American dream, all while retaining their high-paying NYC jobs, and simply driving at first to the city, and then taking the train. Sounds great? Didn't really pan out that way. People bought houses in the Poconos, and began driving about 100 miles each way to Manhattan for work. They'd leave at 6am, get there by 8 or 9, and then get home around 7 or 8pm at night. These aren't exactly wealthy families, so both parents have to work in their high-paying (relative to PA) jobs in the city to afford their house. Pretty stressful, but worst of all, you ended up with these housing developments full of bored teens and pre-teens from the South Bronx or Queens from 3pm when they got home from school, until 7 or 8 when their parents got home. Thus, right now, gang and drug activity is overwhelming the area, with no end in sight. The Poconos have become a prime hiding spot for gang members on the run from NYC and Philadelphia cops, and are a stopping over point for drug trafficking between NYC and other major cities. The train never materialized either. In order to be time-effective, there would have to be no stops in NJ on the way to NYC, and thus, NJ refused to pay for it. PA didn't want to pay for it either since the tracks weren't in PA, and thus, the deal deadlocked, and the money went towards putting new rail tunnels underneath the Hudson River for current trains. Thus, in that area, it's not uncommon at all to see recently bought cars with 300-400,000 miles on the clock, and still look brand new. Diesel Mercedes cars from the 1980's are a popular choice, most of which with the odometer rolled over once or twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 No. The Fed was created in 1913... we barely had an economy before then to crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The Fed was created in 1913... we barely had an economy before then to crash. No, there was lots of economy to crash, and crash it did, repeatedly, from 1865 to 1929. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Some people have no choice BUT to drive 100 miles to work. I have a hard time believeing that....thats fucking outragous, even though the story that Wescent is true..since I live in the same area as him...but in all seriousness, who in their right mind would want drive that much for that long? its fucking retarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Think about what... A. Ford has not run a Panther commercial this decade. B. Even if they did they wouldn't say anything that might actually coax a civilian in to buy a Panther. Yet, Ford has no probs pushing the D3's safety record in a D3 commercial. I was going for (A). B is actually true too... The interesting thing about your last point about Ford pushing the D3's safety record is that they only pushed it for the Taurus... not the Sable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The interesting thing about your last point about Ford pushing the D3's safety record is that they only pushed it for the Taurus... not the Sable. The few Sable ads I saw, they also touted its safety also If anything the D3 is more safe (outside of 75 rear ending) then the Panther is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I have a hard time believeing that....thats fucking outragous, even though the story that Wescent is true..since I live in the same area as him...but in all seriousness, who in their right mind would want drive that much for that long? its fucking retarded Well, to clarify, I don't live there anymore, I had just gone there for school. I think I provided a pretty good example of perfectly sane people doing exactly that. Housing prices in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut are completely out of control. All the trendy hipsters are swarming into NYC, and rapidly taking over all FIVE boroughs, and not just Manhattan. Brooklyn is RAPIDLY moving upscale, and Manhattan prices are just unreal... a standard sized apartment has eclipsed 1M to buy. Normal, middle-class people working in decent jobs are being stretched to the brink. The suburbs in the area are even worse. A standard sized 2-story, 3 bedroom house with a decent lawn in an ok neighborhood is easily 300-400k. The Poconos are another story altogether. Think about yourself as having a family with two kids, with you and your spouse working your ASS off 5 days a week, and only being able to afford a small apartment in the city. Then, you get the choice of staying there, or getting a very nice 3 bedroom house with a pretty nice yard in the quiet mountains, with the only hitch being that you have to commute 100 miles each way every morning and evening? If I were in that situation, thinking about my kids, I would take the commute any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Well, to clarify, I don't live there anymore, I had just gone there for school. I think I provided a pretty good example of perfectly sane people doing exactly that. Housing prices in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut are completely out of control. All the trendy hipsters are swarming into NYC, and rapidly taking over all FIVE boroughs, and not just Manhattan. Brooklyn is RAPIDLY moving upscale, and Manhattan prices are just unreal... a standard sized apartment has eclipsed 1M to buy. Normal, middle-class people working in decent jobs are being stretched to the brink. The suburbs in the area are even worse. A standard sized 2-story, 3 bedroom house with a decent lawn in an ok neighborhood is easily 300-400k. The Poconos are another story altogether. Think about yourself as having a family with two kids, with you and your spouse working your ASS off 5 days a week, and only being able to afford a small apartment in the city. Then, you get the choice of staying there, or getting a very nice 3 bedroom house with a pretty nice yard in the quiet mountains, with the only hitch being that you have to commute 100 miles each way every morning and evening? If I were in that situation, thinking about my kids, I would take the commute any day of the week. I know your over in Monmouth county (no I'm not stalking you...you mentioned it in another posting)...I'm just over the border in Ocean :P Housing prices are insane...I have a condo and just as an Example, I bought mine 4 years ago at 135K and now I've seen it as high as 176-200K! I had a negibour by hers in 1999 for under 100K and she has one more bedroom then I! My parents house in a retirement communty went up 100K in less then a year for new construction, and if you wanted something to move into..add in another 30K... I'd never commute into NYC myself, But I much rather do it from Jersey Shore on a train then do it from the Ponocos driving it every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I know your over in Monmouth county (no I'm not stalking you...you mentioned it in another posting)...I'm just over the border in Ocean :P Housing prices are insane...I have a condo and just as an Example, I bought mine 4 years ago at 135K and now I've seen it as high as 176-200K! I had a negibour by hers in 1999 for under 100K and she has one more bedroom then I! My parents house in a retirement communty went up 100K in less then a year for new construction, and if you wanted something to move into..add in another 30K... I'd never commute into NYC myself, But I much rather do it from Jersey Shore on a train then do it from the Ponocos driving it every day I gotcha. Ocean County is very nice... more my style than Monmouth. I like things a little more farmy and woodsy, but my job and the better half's family on Long Island prescribe that I live as north as possible. You practically stole your condo for that price. But in the Poconos, we're talking about $85,000 for a 3 bedroom house with a decent yard and neighborhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The few Sable ads I saw, they also touted its safety also If anything the D3 is more safe (outside of 75 rear ending) then the Panther is. Really? I guess I was fixated on them actually talking more about the rest of the car apart from its crash tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Some people have no choice BUT to drive 100 miles to work. That's very true, I believe that's the case as well in different cities, abeit for different reasons. I have an uncle who commute 150 miles round trip per day because he chooses NOT to live in a ghetto, and he demands a fullsize B-O-F RWD sedan to do it in. And if you live inside of Beltway 8 in Houston, you pretty much are in the ghetto...now even in some areas outside of the Beltway. The few Sable ads I saw, they also touted its safety also +1 If anything the D3 is more safe (outside of 75 rear ending) then the Panther is. I'd argue that the NHTSA crash test ratings added to the Panther (only) 75+ MPH rear crash test rating beg to differ. Edited January 18, 2008 by Armada Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I guess the same holds true for all those B-O-F trucks then....the Ridgeline is the future! HAH!!!!!!! OWNED!!!1!!1!!!!1111!!!!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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