rmc523 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Speak for yourself. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waymondospiff Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Quick summation: Car-of-the-Year nominees: Audi A4 BMW 1-Series Cadillac CTS-V Dodge Challenger Ford Flex Honda Fit Hyundai Genesis Jaguar XF Lincoln MKS Mazda6 Nissan GT-R Pontiac G8 Toyota Venza Volkswagen Jetta TDI Truck-of-the-Year nominees: BMW X6 Chevrolet Traverse Dodge Ram Ford F-150 Honda Pilot Infiniti FX35/50 Kia Borrego Mercedes-Benz ML320 BlueTec Nissan Murano Saturn Vue 2-Mode Hybrid Subaru Forester Vokswagen Tiguan Winners last year: COTY - Chevy Malibu TOTY - Mazda CX-9 I don't get how the Venza & Flex are cars and X6 & Murano are trucks. Classification by dart board? Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Quick summation: Car-of-the-Year nominees: Audi A4 BMW 1-Series Cadillac CTS-V Dodge Challenger Ford Flex Honda Fit Hyundai Genesis Jaguar XF Lincoln MKS Mazda6 Nissan GT-R Pontiac G8 Toyota Venza Volkswagen Jetta TDI Truck-of-the-Year nominees: BMW X6 Chevrolet Traverse Dodge Ram Ford F-150 Honda Pilot Infiniti FX35/50 Kia Borrego Mercedes-Benz ML320 BlueTec Nissan Murano Saturn Vue 2-Mode Hybrid Subaru Forester Vokswagen Tiguan Winners last year: COTY - Chevy Malibu TOTY - Mazda CX-9 I don't get how the Venza & Flex are cars and X6 & Murano are trucks. Classification by dart board? Scott I too was wondering that. Touch decisions, at least just looking at the names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Speak for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Quick summation: Car-of-the-Year nominees: Audi A4 BMW 1-Series Cadillac CTS-V Dodge Challenger Ford Flex Honda Fit Hyundai Genesis Jaguar XF Lincoln MKS Mazda6 Nissan GT-R Pontiac G8 Toyota Venza Volkswagen Jetta TDI Truck-of-the-Year nominees: BMW X6 Chevrolet Traverse Dodge Ram Ford F-150 Honda Pilot Infiniti FX35/50 Kia Borrego Mercedes-Benz ML320 BlueTec Nissan Murano Saturn Vue 2-Mode Hybrid Subaru Forester Vokswagen Tiguan Winners last year: COTY - Chevy Malibu TOTY - Mazda CX-9 I don't get how the Venza & Flex are cars and X6 & Murano are trucks. Classification by dart board? Scott ?....is it the 09 F-150?...bets on.........Liberace King Ranch or 55000 dollar Platinum will be sent....there goes the value for money box.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I'm not saying that I like the idea, but I bet you that automotive journalists will because they don't tend to use their truck like people who actually USE their truck do. By the way, I'm not sure that comparing a 68 GMC's suspension to a 2009 Dodge Ram is exactly fair. No matter how horrible the suspension is on the Ram (and I doubt it is), it can't be worse than a truck from the 1960s. Let's be honest here ... suspensions have come a long way since the 1960s thanks to computer engineering. In all honesty, the only reason Dodge went to coils is for an improvement in ride quality....same reason GM's truck divisions tried coils way back then...I am surprised they didn't go with air bags for the rear suspension, but then again...there's always the HD versions of the Ram for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Liberace King Ranch :hysterical: Is chinchilla an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) Liberace King Ranch :hysterical: Is chinchilla an option? mark my words...Flex will probablt be a Limited AWD no less complete with every known option...INCLUDING the refrigerator for the DOM, which one can't get as of right now ( commodity issue ) Edited September 19, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Yeah since it worked so well and was so "revolutionary" on the 68-72 GM trucks... Yes and Ford had leafs those years. Do Ford pickups still ride the same and have the same payload because they still use leaf springs? No. Let's not compare 40 year old technology with today's advances. Just because something was previously tried and did not succeed does not mean it is doomed to fail again. Remember the GM V-8-4-6? Seems just about every manufacturer is jumping on the cylinder deactivation bandwagon these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 As opposed to the most redundant vehicle released this year...the Flex? Talk about bringing nothing new to the table... C'mon man......i may not be a fan of the Flex as well but its not redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 C'mon man......i may not be a fan of the Flex as well but its not redundant. Have you heard of the Taurus X? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Have you heard of the Taurus X? yea and the Flex is not the Taurus X.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danup Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 (edited) Have you heard of the Taurus X? Yeah! And why did they keep the Mustang all those years in the nineties, when they had perfectly good ZX2s on the lot? Edited September 20, 2008 by danup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 yea and the Flex is not the Taurus X.... They are both seven seat station wagons. They both have a 3.5 V6. They both have a 6-speed trans. They both can be had with AWD. They have almost the same space inside. Yeah...no redundancy there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 They are both seven seat station wagons. They both have a 3.5 V6. They both have a 6-speed trans. They both can be had with AWD. They have almost the same space inside. Yeah...no redundancy there... Is that like the 4 Lambda crossovers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Is that like the 4 Lambda crossovers? Yes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Yes... Well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Well played. I have always thought that GM had too many brands. I hate the fact that they have 4 Lambdas...I hate the fact that Pontiac is getting an Aveo (although...with the new Aveo being so ugly, Pontiac may have a winner). GM needs to dump Saab (duh) GM needs to dump Hummer (Hummer's 15 minutes of fame has long past) GM needs to dump Buick (they don't need a brand to compete with Lincoln) GM needs to dump Saturn (JUST like Mercury, Saturn does not move enough products to justify it's existence...even though the Saturn products are great) GM needs to take a long, hard look at dumping GMC as well. Keep Chevy as your mainstream brand. Keep Pontiac as your sporty brand Keep Caddy as your (true) luxury brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT_MAN Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 I have always thought that GM had too many brands. I hate the fact that they have 4 Lambdas...I hate the fact that Pontiac is getting an Aveo (although...with the new Aveo being so ugly, Pontiac may have a winner). GM needs to dump Saab (duh) GM needs to dump Hummer (Hummer's 15 minutes of fame has long past) GM needs to dump Buick (they don't need a brand to compete with Lincoln) GM needs to dump Saturn (JUST like Mercury, Saturn does not move enough products to justify it's existence...even though the Saturn products are great) GM needs to take a long, hard look at dumping GMC as well. Keep Chevy as your mainstream brand. Keep Pontiac as your sporty brand Keep Caddy as your (true) luxury brand. Dumping Saturn would be utterly retarded. Same for Buick. Both have probably the most loyal customers of any GM products ... Saturnophiles and Old Geezers. Even if Buick is trying to be hip and cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Dumping Saturn would be utterly retarded. Same for Buick. Both have probably the most loyal customers of any GM products ... Saturnophiles and Old Geezers. Even if Buick is trying to be hip and cool. That same case could be made for the... s. Loyal customers or not, the numbers just don't add up to keep the brands alive...just like Mercury...actually both Buick and Saturn outsold Mercury and Lincoln by a substantial margin last month. Gm either needs to shit or get off the pot. These brands ate just in limbo...with no clear direction. GM did a fantastic job with Cadillac. Now their efforts need to be focused on Saturn and Buick. If they can't turn them around soon, time to kick them to the curb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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