Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 specing out some Ford Rangers for a municipality and my eyebrows shot to the ceiling...only two option as far as engines go...the 2.3 and the guzzler 4.0...do not understand the logic here....all municipalities are thinking green and FFV ( ie 3.0 ) is the only alternative to full hybrid drivetrain which we know only comes in the Escape....is this a Ranger death knoll?..........strange logic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 As the 3.0 l Vulcan is no longer in production, it does not surprise me that there is no 3.0 l engine in the Ranger. Just think of the current Ranger as a placeholder until a replacement is ready. The 2.3 l four is suitable for most uses a Ranger will see anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 As the 3.0 l Vulcan is no longer in production, it does not surprise me that there is no 3.0 l engine in the Ranger. Just think of the current Ranger as a placeholder until a replacement is ready. The 2.3 l four is suitable for most uses a Ranger will see anyway. may hurt sales quite a bit........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 may hurt sales quite a bit........... Why? The 2.3L makes almost as much power as the 3.0 Vulcan and probably weighs less in the process. I would be more concerned with overall fuel economy rather than flex fuel capability, which makes the 2.3L the right choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 It would have being nice to see a D25 and PIP D30 to replace the entire powertrain line. However, it's most likely because there isin't enough of the new ones to put in the Ranger and they need to get rid of all the old ones so production will eventually stop. The Vulcan had a good reputation and it's sad to see it go but it's archaic these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I agree, the 2.5L should have been in the lineup, not sure why it isn't. Maybe there is a surplus of 2.3 engine parts that they need to get rid of :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Just be lazy and stick the diesel engine in US ranger that the rest of the world has already been using for donkey years and watch its fuel efficiency become record breaking "Unsurpassed in Fuel Economy" without having to do or design next to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 Just be lazy and stick the diesel engine in US ranger that the rest of the world has already been using for donkey years and watch its fuel efficiency become record breaking "Unsurpassed in Fuel Economy" without having to do or design next to nothing. ARRRRRRRRRRRRG!...will everyone for christs sake stop the damn diesel ramblings...morons like Chucky2 and Mhlm to nma e but two, are lurking dammit! I lost enough grey cells yesterday with that idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Just be lazy and stick the diesel engine in US ranger that the rest of the world has already been using for donkey years and watch its fuel efficiency become record breaking "Unsurpassed in Fuel Economy" without having to do or design next to nothing. And then have a vehicle that cannot be sold in the US due to non-compliance. Must make sense to someone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focus05 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Could be that the 2.5 was design and tested for only FWD applications so far? Could be that at 60-70k sales/year, the Ranger does not warrant much investment unless there is significant upside? I can think of any number of reasons of why Ford would drop the 3.0 and not upgrade the 2.3 or 4.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 (edited) Just be lazy and stick the diesel engine in US ranger that the rest of the world has already been using for donkey years and watch its fuel efficiency become record breaking "Unsurpassed in Fuel Economy" without having to do or design next to nothing. Why sure, Jelly, just push the automatic "US EMissions Regs" compliance button — "poof"! Instant fix. Stupid Ford, why didn't they just do that months ago? Like, duh. Edited September 18, 2008 by Edstock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 Could be that the 2.5 was design and tested for only FWD applications so far? Could be that at 60-70k sales/year, the Ranger does not warrant much investment unless there is significant upside? I can think of any number of reasons of why Ford would drop the 3.0 and not upgrade the 2.3 or 4.0. you may be correct...and judging by hands on the 2.5 is a VAST improvemnet over the Escapes 2.3...sweet little 4 cyl.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 All the engines in the Ranger suck. They really need the 2.5/3.5 and 6-speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I agree, the 2.5L should have been in the lineup, not sure why it isn't. Maybe there is a surplus of 2.3 engine parts that they need to get rid of :-P You brought up a excellent question. How many years of parts are there usually? How many surplus engines/parts etc. are made after production ceases? I mean if a new car has a 3 yr warrenty on the powertrain, you don't stop making the part on the last year of the vehicle in case of a rare but real failure which would require a replacement. I understand modification and upgrades (D20 to D23 to D25) may use common parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Could be that the 2.5 was design and tested for only FWD applications so far? Could be that at 60-70k sales/year, the Ranger does not warrant much investment unless there is significant upside? I can think of any number of reasons of why Ford would drop the 3.0 and not upgrade the 2.3 or 4.0. Seems short-sighted but not unreasonable. Seriously, in a bureaucratic headspace, do all the project managers talk to each other regarding possible sharing? Before we blame bean-counters (this is not a blame game BTW), I just had a one cubicle over experience and it blows my mind how when communication breaks down, a bloody storm ensues for no reason. My point is it's not far-fetched that when the D25 came online, perhaps no one considered Ranger because people were looking at F100 or something else. A looking at trees not the forest cliche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 may hurt sales quite a bit........... Sales???? What sales...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 Sales???? What sales...... we move a LOT.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaylonJennings Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 the guzzler 4.0L? I forgot that the 3.0 sipped on fuel.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 the guzzler 4.0L? I forgot that the 3.0 sipped on fuel.. definitely superior to the 4.0...and for what it is worth i got the same mileage out of 2 Ford pickups I owned...both 4x4's....only one was a 5.4, and the other was a 4.0....to say i was dissapointed may give a small hint at which of the two was bought after the other...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danup Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 The Ranger's general datedness is a missed opportunity, but it hurts a little less to know that everybody else missed the opportunity, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 The Vulcan 3.0L left with the 2008 MY, not 2009 MY. It's been gone a long time now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 The Vulcan 3.0L left with the 2008 MY, not 2009 MY. It's been gone a long time now! ?...thats my point...here 08, gone 09....weird they would keep the 4.0...hell i NEVER get any 4.0 requests...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 ?...thats my point...here 08, gone 09....weird they would keep the 4.0...hell i NEVER get any 4.0 requests...... The other thing too is that it looks like the 10 Mustang will still have the 4L V6 in it....I could have swore they quit making the 4L this past Spring... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 The other thing too is that it looks like the 10 Mustang will still have the 4L V6 in it....I could have swore they quit making the 4L this past Spring... hope not...time for the 4.0 to be put to pasture....runs forever just a little dated compared to the competition....one can "probably" get away with the lump in the ranger...Mustang 2010 won't cut it.....that car NEEDS smooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Anybody have any hard data when the Cologne 4.0L is being put to pasture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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