mlhm5 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 "Ford's three brands--Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury--continue to pull away from the rest of the Detroit automakers. Almost all Ford models are now average or better, with the exception of some that are truck-based. Excluding those, Ford's reliability is now on a par with good Japanese automakers." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Did someone hack mlhm5's account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds91776 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I was pleased by the Focus improving to above average. Now we need to get CR to retest the Escape triplets and to retest the Fusion and Edge after their MCEs and Ford's scores on the review side should really improve,especially on the Escape and Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Did someone hack mlhm5's account? :hysterical: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Hmm, back on his meds, I see..... :shades: OTOH, a compliment from CR is about like kissing your grandma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 The review side is, by and large, a joke. David Champion (CU auto test supervisor) has been 'troubled' in the past by poor reliability in a Nissan plant in the US. Why an allegedly UNBIASED test supervisor would be TROUBLED by poor quality at a JAPANESE TRANSPLANT is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 ..."with the exception of some that are truck-based. " Can anyone tell us what models they are referring to as not reliable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Did someone hack mlhm5's account? :hysterical: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 :hysterical: here is my score card...ford truck..yes...mustang hell yes...ranger..yes....anything else ford offers...hell no....chevrolet...hell no on all ccounts...GM just pulled out of LA international auto show..so double hell no....cerbus....ram..yes...everything else hell no....Datsun is all about all i'll cnsider for foreign especially if they get the ram truck....i would buy from any detroit south plant as at least they employees american workers if i have too....whats the messiah to do when nobody will buy anything from detroit north..you wanted the messiah you got him..good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 here is my score card...ford truck..yes...mustang hell yes...ranger..yes....anything else ford offers...hell no....chevrolet...hell no on all ccounts...GM just pulled out of LA international auto show..so double hell no....cerbus....ram..yes...everything else hell no....Datsun is all about all i'll cnsider for foreign especially if they get the ram truck....i would buy from any detroit south plant as at least they employees american workers if i have too....whats the messiah to do when nobody will buy anything from detroit north..you wanted the messiah you got him..good luck Wow snooter. Are you waiting for Obama's health care plan to kick in so you can refill your meds for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Wow snooter. Are you waiting for Obama's health care plan to kick in so you can refill your meds for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Wow snooter. Are you waiting for Obama's health care plan to kick in so you can refill your meds for free? HA..if its free sure..i will be doing my best to get whatever i can for free from the socialist..i see no point anymore of working to support the poor...so i plan on mooching as much as i can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 it's nice to see positive reviews, however CR is still bum wipe as far as magazines go. We have talked at length about the errors in their data collection, manipulation and reports. Just because they say something nice about Ford doesn't suddenly make them reliable or worth quoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 it's nice to see positive reviews, however CR is still bum wipe as far as magazines go. We have talked at length about the errors in their data collection, manipulation and reports. Just because they say something nice about Ford doesn't suddenly make them reliable or worth quoting. Well, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what we think of Consumer Reports. Fact of the matter is most people implicitly trust them as a source of information, so to that end, it's never a bad thing to get praise from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project-Fairmont Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) it's nice to see positive reviews, however CR is still bum wipe as far as magazines go. We have talked at length about the errors in their data collection, manipulation and reports. Just because they say something nice about Ford doesn't suddenly make them reliable or worth quoting. To the non-enthusiast buying public, folks depend on CR to help with their camara, TV, vaccum cleaner, and car buying desisions. Dare I say CR is the least subjective of testors; the most important elements are usability, reliability, and costs. I think they are more credible than MT's Truck, Car or SUV of the Year for-example. Tundra - "2008 MT Truck of the year", need I say more... Edited November 11, 2008 by Project-Fairmont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 it's nice to see positive reviews, however CR is still bum wipe as far as magazines go. We have talked at length about the errors in their data collection, manipulation and reports. Just because they say something nice about Ford doesn't suddenly make them reliable or worth quoting. Consumer Reports is a source that Consumers refer to and trust when making a purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Consumer Reports is a source that Consumers refer to and trust when making a purchase. HAHAHA..thats funny,,,especially the "trust" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Selby Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Consumer Reports is a source that Consumers refer to and trust when making a purchase. True, but that doesn't make it right. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 CR is gospel to millions of Americans, whether valid or not. Ford made a wise choice in engaging them in discussions about what to do to improve their vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Consumer Reports is a source that ignorant Consumers refer to and trust when making a purchase. fixed it for yah :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 ..."with the exception of some that are truck-based. " Can anyone tell us what models they are referring to as not reliable? Any chance that we can get someone to list the Ford 'Truck Based' models that CR says are not reliable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Any chance that we can get someone to list the Ford 'Truck Based' models that CR says are not reliable? My guess would be Expedition and Navigator, in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 My guess would be Expedition and Navigator, in particular. Not according to the last years issue that I have. I can't remember exactly, but they are at average or slightly above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Not according to the last years issue that I have. I can't remember exactly, but they are at average or slightly above. Hmm...I've always remembered the Expedition as being a sore spot in Ford's reliability. Don't know what other "truck-based" vehicle they could be referring to then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Hmm...I've always remembered the Expedition as being a sore spot in Ford's reliability. Don't know what other "truck-based" vehicle they could be referring to then... Could they be referring to vehicles with the 6.0L PS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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