RaZor Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 A former attorney for Toyota has accused the automaker of illegally withholding evidence in hundreds of rollover death and injury cases, in a "ruthless conspiracy" to keep evidence "of its vehicles' structural shortcomings from becoming known." The explosive allegations are contained in a federal racketeering suit filed in Los Angeles by Dimitrios P. Biller, former managing counsel for Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc., who claims his complaints about the company's legal misconduct cost him his job. Read more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Wow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 :fan: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark8LSC CE0464 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 I hope this costs them plenty! I am so sick of these idiots who drive around in their POS crap-box toyotas thinking they are driving something that is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Wake up people, the truth is FoMoCo is the quality king, deal with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Who wants to bet this will be covered up as much as possible by the media. If this were Ford it would be splashed all over the front page and talked about on every news network. Toyota has been having a lot of issues lately. Not only with profit and sales, but also quality, safety and recalls. Changing people's perception of this company will be hard though when the US media is their biggest positive ad agency. Toyota the happy little earth friendly automaker that builds cars that will last forever without any maintenance. That is a hard line to overcome when you are the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 No doubt TTAC "most trusted car maker" you can trust with your life, the 2010 award winner is - TOYOTA How do Toyota get away with shit like this all the time, every time and come out of it smelling of roses. l'd rather catch a boring bus, than own a Toyota. At least the bus is a lot safer and 1,000 times less boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Who wants to bet this will be covered up as much as possible by the media. If this were Ford it would be splashed all over the front page and talked about on every news network. Toyota has been having a lot of issues lately. Not only with profit and sales, but also quality, safety and recalls. Changing people's perception of this company will be hard though when the US media is their biggest positive ad agency. Toyota the happy little earth friendly automaker that builds cars that will last forever without any maintenance. That is a hard line to overcome when you are the competition. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Who wants to bet this will be covered up as much as possible by the media. If this were Ford it would be splashed all over the front page and talked about on every news network. Toyota has been having a lot of issues lately. Not only with profit and sales, but also quality, safety and recalls. Changing people's perception of this company will be hard though when the US media is their biggest positive ad agency. Toyota the happy little earth friendly automaker that builds cars that will last forever without any maintenance. That is a hard line to overcome when you are the competition. I'm sure it will as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Go Google it. They story is all over the web. It'll hit the major services soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amtrakking Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Who wants to bet this will be covered up as much as possible by the media. If this were Ford it would be splashed all over the front page and talked about on every news network. Toyota has been having a lot of issues lately. Not only with profit and sales, but also quality, safety and recalls. Changing people's perception of this company will be hard though when the US media is their biggest positive ad agency. Toyota the happy little earth friendly automaker that builds cars that will last forever without any maintenance. That is a hard line to overcome when you are the competition. +2! Dirty ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Autoblog now has the story: Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddaughter Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I posted this on my facebook page..spread the word! :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I posted this on my facebook page..spread the word! :happy feet: It's on my facebook page now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8A4RE Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I called this one way back when. It was just a matter of time that someone opened their blind eye. http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...showtopic=16351 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I called this one way back when. It was just a matter of time that someone opened their blind eye. http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...showtopic=16351 Hey, I resurrected the Tundra crash pics thread from the deep... Any new photos you'd like to share with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I'm not surprised. What you people ought to do is spread this story around. You know... Take your local area craigslist for example and post an opinion on it in the rants and raves section. That'll start the ball rollin' for sure. I'll do my part and now it's time to do yours! NOW GET GOING! :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8A4RE Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hey, I resurrected the Tundra crash pics thread from the deep... Any new photos you'd like to share with us? I don't have a current CoPart password anymore. I've been busy with school, so no time lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I don't have a current CoPart password anymore. I've been busy with school, so no time lately. Just continue to do your best to find us some crashed Toyotas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FOCI Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I've got a friend in the business with a copart account. See if I can find it or have him give it to me again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) And here's the Toyota owners take. In a nut shell, it's a sleezy lawyer out to make a buck and name for himself without any merit. Typical Yota owner mentality. http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/200...eering-lawsuit/ Does it surprise me that Yota fans act/re-act like this, Nope. Would it surprise me if Toyota was found guilty. Nope. Will this change either the owners or companies ways, more than likely not. And this is so low on the media coverage, today is the 1st day I've heard/read about it. Any media bias there??? Edited September 8, 2009 by V8-X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 And here's the Toyota owners take. In a nut shell, it's a sleezy lawyer out to make a buck and name for himself without any merit. Typical Yota owner mentality. http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/200...eering-lawsuit/ Does it surprise me that Yota fans act/re-act like this, Nope. Would it surprise me if Toyota was found guilty. Nope. Will this change either the owners or companies ways, more than likely not. And this is so low on the media coverage, today is the 1st day I've heard/read about it. Any media bias there??? Well the guy is certainly risking his law career so he'd better be right and able to prove his claims. If Toyota used the attorney's services in a criminal manner there are exceptions to the attorney-client privilege that may apply. An attorney may not knowingly help a client to lie under oath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Isn't this mostly about failure to cooperate fully during discovery in civil proceedings, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Isn't this mostly about failure to cooperate fully during discovery in civil proceedings, though? It is a RICO action which has both criminal and civil penalties. Obstruction of Justice falls within RICO. Discovery is submitted under oath and there is a perjury component for knowingly tampering with or destroying evidence. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I know what RICO means, but for some reason, every time I hear it, this pops into my head: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 It is a RICO action which has both criminal and civil penalties. Obstruction of Justice falls within RICO. Discovery is submitted under oath and there is a perjury component for knowingly tampering with or destroying evidence. It will be very interesting to see where this goes. Then my question would be whether/how a private party can pursue a criminal matter. I would assume he can only sue under the civil sections of RICO. Also, isn't 'obstruction of justice' restricted to criminal matters? Although I'd guess a criminal investigation could be launched if evidence of perjury turns up. I'm curious how he intends to prove that records were destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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