White99GT Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 So I guess I'm the only one that's let down. With the same bore spacing as the 4.6 it looks like us racers will continue to suffer humiliating defeat next to GMs ancient pushrod mills. We "modular" racers aren't suffering humiliating defeats now, why would an engine with a bit more displacement and apparently far superior H/C/I do worse? :poke: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 In case you may have forgotten, a 7 liter Hurricane (no power adder) made 800 FWHP in race trim. The inferior mod motors have been making well over 700 FWHP in race trim without blowers for years. They've been making well over 2500 FWHP in race trim with blowers for years. Damn the inferior mod motor, when will they quit being overpowered by GM's ancient pushrod engines? Oh wait, that rights, there's a handful of single power adderModular powered cars running low 6s and 220-230 mph in NHRA Comp Eliminator and/o 10.5. And low and behold, the fastest LS powered car in the nation runs 6.8s@205 with a tube chassis, twin turbos and nitrous. Damn these Mod motors, so dominated by GM's ancient pushrod engines. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue II Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 The inferior mod motors have been making well over 700 FWHP in race trim without blowers for years. They've been making well over 2500 FWHP in race trim with blowers for years. Damn the inferior mod motor, when will they quit being overpowered by GM's ancient pushrod engines? Oh wait, that rights, there's a handful of single power adderModular powered cars running low 6s and 220-230 mph in NHRA Comp Eliminator and/o 10.5. And low and behold, the fastest LS powered car in the nation runs 6.8s@205 with a tube chassis, twin turbos and nitrous. Damn these Mod motors, so dominated by GM's ancient pushrod engines. :rolleyes: Appears you missed the point of my post to Versa Tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcman Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I love the torque this motor makes, it packs a decent punch. Even more surprised at how low it peaks. Ferrari's 458 from it's 4.5 litre, 9000rpm d.i. V8, has 120Nm/litre. Mustang (2011) GT, 105.8Nm/litre. Merc's SLS AMG is powered by a 6208cc V8 engine, called the M159, has 104.8Nm/litre. Porsche's d.i. 4.8 litre V8 in the Panamera has 104.2Nm/litre. Jaguar's new d.i. 5 litre V8, 102Nm/litre. Lexus 5 litre V8, 101.7Nm/litre. Anybody notice the 5.0 6 speed automatic gets 1 mpg better in city & highway than the manual? Seems Ford's autos are better programed than than they have been. It used to be manuals got better mpgs. A manual is still more 'efficient', but it's the taller gearing in the auto that wins the Prius challenge. Automatic 1st 4.17 2nd 2.34 3rd 1.52 4th 1.14 5th 0.87 6th 0.69 Final drive 3.15:1 Manual 1st 3.66 2nd 2.43 3rd 1.69 4th 1.32 5th 1.00 6th 0.65 Final drive 3.31:1 Blue II, when are the two hair-dryers replacing that whining thing? Three years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemiman Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 In case you may have forgotten, a 7 liter Hurricane (no power adder) made 800 FWHP in race trim. The 6.2 is scheduled to be in production to at least 2015. Blue II, Are these specs accurate? Hurricane/BOSS Bore Spacing = 4.5" (115mm) 6.2L version Bore = 4.02" (102mm) Stroke = 3.74" (95mm) If they are: I'm a happy Ford fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Appears you missed the point of my post to Versa Tech. Sorry, only the first sentence was a response to you. The rest was directed at Versa Tech; quoting malfunction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcman Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 It appears the weights have been updated on the Ford site. BASE CURB WEIGHT (POUNDS) Coupe, .......Conv. Manual transmission ..............3,603 (est.) 3,720 (est.) Automatic transmission ..........3,658 (est.) 3,770 (est.) Weight distribution (f/r) .........54/46 (est.) 54/46 (est.) http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_Mustang_GT_Specs.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Maybe this is already somewhere, but the 5.0 is to be built in Windsor Ontario. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/windsor/story/200...ine-091229.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 7000rpm is far more then my old boss 302 could safely rev for any length of time....if this engine is capable of 6500rpm revs safely then hell ford has done its job..weight is also a no brainer for street use..i just do not see any issue here at 3600ish pounds...what i would dearly like to see is the 6.2 shoehorned in the stang and called "boss"..add no air..no power things and radio delete..just motor and you...however never sell cause too many old farts so we are all stuck with what you got.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Blue II, Are these specs accurate? Hurricane/BOSS Bore Spacing = 4.5" (115mm) 6.2L version Bore = 4.02" (102mm) Stroke = 3.74" (95mm) If they are: I'm a happy Ford fan. Yes, the 6.2L has a 4.5" bore spacing. I imagine a 4V version of this engine would be an absolute monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemiman Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Yes, the 6.2L has a 4.5" bore spacing. I imagine a 4V version of this engine would be an absolute monster. Well, this is great news! Now, I'm wondering what the maximum over-bore will be on the production block. If it can safely be pushed to 4.25" we'd have a CID of 425, (bare in mind that the old FE 427 was really, 425CID). But I think 4.25" is really pushing the bore limits unless increased bore was planned for in the casting. Hmmmm...........................I may just postpone my FE based 427 SOHC build and try out one of these! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) So, when will we hear anything about the 2011 GT500? New York? Edited December 30, 2009 by blksn8k2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Maybe this is already somewhere, but the 5.0 is to be built in Windsor Ontario. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/windsor/story/200...ine-091229.html Does that mean the engine becomes the Essex 5.0 liter? With the 5.0 sharing deck height and bore spacings with the former 4.6 engine it sounds like a machinery line from another plan will be set up and used there, Would this have come from the Cleveland plant where the 4.6 used to be made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Does that mean the engine becomes the Essex 5.0 liter? With the 5.0 sharing deck height and bore spacings with the former 4.6 engine it sounds like a machinery line from another plan will be set up and used there, Would this have come from the Cleveland plant where the 4.6 used to be made? I originally had a 4.6 Windsor in my Mustang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 One thing, who's going to want a 2010 GT now they know what coming next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 One thing, who's going to want a 2010 GT now they know what coming next year? People who dont follow the car industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 ^ & people who can't wait until March15+however long it takes to make it to their dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I love the torque this motor makes, it packs a decent punch. Even more surprised at how low it peaks. Ferrari's 458 from it's 4.5 litre, 9000rpm d.i. V8, has 120Nm/litre. Mustang (2011) GT, 105.8Nm/litre. Merc's SLS AMG is powered by a 6208cc V8 engine, called the M159, has 104.8Nm/litre. Porsche's d.i. 4.8 litre V8 in the Panamera has 104.2Nm/litre. Jaguar's new d.i. 5 litre V8, 102Nm/litre. Lexus 5 litre V8, 101.7Nm/litre. A manual is still more 'efficient', but it's the taller gearing in the auto that wins the Prius challenge. Automatic 1st 4.17 2nd 2.34 3rd 1.52 4th 1.14 5th 0.87 6th 0.69 Final drive 3.15:1 Manual 1st 3.66 2nd 2.43 3rd 1.69 4th 1.32 5th 1.00 6th 0.65 Final drive 3.31:1 Blue II, when are the two hair-dryers replacing that whining thing? Three years? Actually, automatics are easy to manipulate around EPA testing. They can be programmed specifically to perform well in the test cycle, manuals can't. In real world driving, manuals are still more efficient in the hands of somebody who knows how to properly drive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Does anybody care to wager a guess as to how fast these are going to run? 2003/2004 Cobra 390hp, 3665lb (9.4 lb/hp), 12.9 at 112 (per C&D) 2005 Pontiac GTO 400hp, 3787lb (9.5 lb/hp), 13.3 at 107 (per C&D) 2010 Camaro SS 426hp, 3880lb (9.1 lb/hp), 13.0 at 111 (per C&D) 2011 Mustang GT 412hp, 3603lb (8.7 lb/hp) My estimate is that it runs about the same as the 2003 Cobra, high 12s at over 110mph. It should be marginally quicker than the Camaro SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkapeGote Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Sup, If I had to take a stab at the 2011 gt's 1/4 and 0 - 60 times I would say 12.8 - 12.9 at 111 and maybe 0-60 in 4.6 or 4.7 Skape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200MPHCOBRA Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 With trak pack 3.73's and a 1.32:1 4th gear, this puppy will be screaming the whole way down and through the lights too, it should run damn good, especially with drag radials. Show room stock, 3.73, good air and a good driver, 12.7 at 113. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 With trak pack 3.73's and a 1.32:1 4th gear, this puppy will be screaming the whole way down and through the lights too, it should run damn good, especially with drag radials. Show room stock, 3.73, good air and a good driver, 12.7 at 113. With a 7000rpm redline, a 3.73 rear axle, a 1.32:1 4th gear, and 255/40ZR-19 tires, the Mustang GT should top out at about 114.3mph in 4th gear. If the 2011 still has a 3.73 available, then it seems to be set up perfectly for a fast 1/4mi run. I might be inclined to agree with your assessments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200MPHCOBRA Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 With a 7000rpm redline, a 3.73 rear axle, a 1.32:1 4th gear, and 255/40ZR-19 tires, the Mustang GT should top out at about 114.3mph in 4th gear. If the 2011 still has a 3.73 available, then it seems to be set up perfectly for a fast 1/4mi run. I might be inclined to agree with your assessments. I think they have some drag racers involved in the gear ratio optimization department. That 4 valve is going to love that RPM spacing. I don't think the SS is going to have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Does anybody care to wager a guess as to how fast these are going to run? 2003/2004 Cobra 390hp, 3665lb (9.4 lb/hp), 12.9 at 112 (per C&D) 2005 Pontiac GTO 400hp, 3787lb (9.5 lb/hp), 13.3 at 107 (per C&D) 2010 Camaro SS 426hp, 3880lb (9.1 lb/hp), 13.0 at 111 (per C&D) 2011 Mustang GT 412hp, 3603lb (8.7 lb/hp) My estimate is that it runs about the same as the 2003 Cobra, high 12s at over 110mph. It should be marginally quicker than the Camaro SS. It should outrun everything on that list. The 390hp for the cobra isn't the true number....and C&D obviously couldn't put the power to the pavement. But I think the GT will be a stronger runner in the 1/4 mile. SRA requires much less finesse than the IRS, plus chassis and suspension upgrades should compensate for the instant torque of the blower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomaro Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Owned by double post Edited January 4, 2010 by atomaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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