Aces Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Some solidarity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jP0zYgKYzk These guys don't think tax breaks for the rich are in order today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I would love to see what you would be posting if 9/11 had happened on Obama's watch, I’m not going to speculate on what I would say had that happened (or if it does). But I do have a feeling that if the same comments that were thrown at Bush, were thrown at Obama, we know how upset the Left would get. And in case you’re not sure, have a look back to what the reaction was when Bush was called a Nazi, and what the reaction was when Obama was referred to as Hitler. Furthermore, I’ll keep this in mind in case you say that the US would be in the same situation it is in right now had McCain been elected. and "the worse one before 9/11" (please refresh my memory on what that one was, because it so pales in comparison to 9/11 that I don't even remember it) had happened on Bush's watch. So you don’t remember the first attack on the WTC? You know the one where the plan was to topple both buildings? Had the plan been successful, 9/11 would have never happened. 9/11 happened because of the failure of the first attempt; an attempt that happened on Clinton’s watch. As well, are you choosing to forget the USS Cole, the Khobar Towers and the Embassies in Kenya & Tazania? A couple other inconvenient points: a.) Clinton might have had more time to tend to this, if he hadn't been preoccupied with Ken Starr's sham trial over his off-hours whoopie making. I don't know about you, but that whole thing looked pretty frivolous in the face of 9/11. It did. The whole thing was a waste of time. However, Clinton should not have lied about his relationship with Lewinsky. IMO, a lie is a lie, no matter what it is about. And again, if you want to condemn Bush for perceived lies, then hold Clinton to the same standard. Having said that, if you are saying the Cinton did have time to do his job because of Starr’s investigation, then Clinton should have been impeached for being a moron. and b.) It is a well known matter of record, included in the 9/11 commission report, that outgoing security advisor Sandy Berger's warnings about AlQaeda were brushed off by the Bush administration. Here: Link bone up a little on this. It'll be good for you. And it’s well known Clinton had a chance to take custody of OBL, and chose not to. If you say that the Bush Admin dropped the ball, then so did the Clinton Admin. T Wasn't happy with interventionism then, not happy with it now. Obama's position on Iraq is one of the reasons I voted for him - as contrasted to Hillary's and many other Democrat's craven submission to the fear and treason mongering of the administration leading up to that vote. They were capitalizing on the public's grief and fear after 9/11 to push a pre-existing and unrelated agenda - and yes, I do and did hold it against them. So, will you vote for Obama again knowing he flat out lied to you? Or will you continue to be one of his pawns? Everybody is having some trouble - but I keep in close touch with many people overseas, and they are in nowhere near the funk that we are in - and that includes my friends in Japan, post Kanto earthquake / tsunami / meltdown, and in their 15th year of recession. Look at unemployment rates by country around the world. I've had job offers right across the border in Canada. We are in worse shape than most of our peers (and what does that do for our notions of American exceptionalism, and the shrill cries of "socialism" emanating from the right?) Let's not even talk about current accounts balance, in which we are dead last in the world - much of which is due to our imbecilic trade policy - or rather our imbecilic lack of a trade policy. I have to give credit to some Republicans for at least starting to mention this - and criticism to both Clinton and Obama for entering into agreements that make it even worse. I don't blame Bush for the economic meltdown, and if I sometimes sound like I do, I apologize (though it did cap off his 8 years in office). He did, for the record, leave a few bankrupt businesses and the State of Texas broke when he left - so his performance with the country was somewhat predictable (though even I didn't imagine it would be as bad as it was). The meltdown however is the culmination of policies going back decades. There is blame on both sides of the aisle. It's just that the natural proclivities to deregulation and economic elitism held by Bush blinded him to what was coming, and made him singularly ill equipped to do anything about it in my opinion. I have been very vocal that Bush was not a great President, especially concerning his economic policies. But I’ve also said Bill Ford Jr couldn’t run a Kool Aid stand, yet I don’t hear Alan Mulally blaming him for the problems he left. The point of many of my arguments is that the new guy is not much different than the old guy. So why does the old guy get the blame, while the new one gets a free pass? When I get lost while traveling somewhere, I don’t blame the GPS, or the direction I was given. I find a way to get to my destination. If the people demanded their politicians did the same, things would get solved pretty damn quickly Anybody who thinks our economic troubles would be solved in 4 years is naive. The best we can hope for is to lay the groundwork for recovery. I don't believe that returning to the 1890s is the answer. Anyone who thought Obama could solve those problems are the naïve ones. And anyone who thinks continuing to raise the debt ceiling, and increase the deficit is worse than naïve. Washington needs real change, not just a campaign slogan. And until it stops being “business as usual”, then the problems will continue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 "Ward, try not to be too hard on the Beaver!" (If you didn't know it first aired today, October 4 in 1957 True fact) Priceless. The look on her face too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Nick, I know that you don't see this, but the only person who needs more than one of these threads is Aces. He is link bombing your site. I have never seen a forum allow this to go unchecked but that is your issue. Are you aware that today he posted one article from AlJazeera, and another from the National Jewish Democratic Council? Do you really believe that those two sites are on his reading list? He is being fed material and posting it accordingly. If you limit him to a single thread it becomes even more apparent, so he will do what he can to start threads. I do not know if he is getting paid, maybe he is just a volunteer, but have you ever seen this behavior from any other poster? So far today I count posts with 11 different links, and one new thread. Does that strike you as typical? Is this desirable? If you want to see his true colors just ban his ability to post links. He interacts just enough to troll for a response. I hate to see BON used as an unwitting tool by a propagandist . :yup: After looking through some of the threads I have closed, they were all basically the exact same argument, so why have six different threads for it? Stay on topic. Stay civil. That's really all we ask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Nick, I know that you don't see this, but the only person who needs more than one of these threads is Aces. He is link bombing your site. I have never seen a forum allow this to go unchecked but that is your issue. Are you aware that today he posted one article from AlJazeera, and another from the National Jewish Democratic Council? Do you really believe that those two sites are on his reading list? He is being fed material and posting it accordingly. If you limit him to a single thread it becomes even more apparent, so he will do what he can to start threads. I do not know if he is getting paid, maybe he is just a volunteer, but have you ever seen this behavior from any other poster? So far today I count posts with 11 different links, and one new thread. Does that strike you as typical? Is this desirable? If you want to see his true colors just ban his ability to post links. He interacts just enough to troll for a response. I hate to see BON used as an unwitting tool by a propagandist . Your paranoia is amusing. Just because you are small minded does not make me a paid propagandist. Why do right wingers object to reading? Perhaps you should stop looking here and go back to the radio where they predigest your news and form your opinion for you? As for what you state above... The National Jewish Democratic Council story was linked to in another site. .I look at Al Jazeeras web site each day....it is a great world and US news source. http://english.aljazeera.net/ It's funny that you don't mention the New York Times or the Economist.....sites I also cite from (more than others) as I read them daily. Perhaps your problem is you? An open mind would like to see sources he does not usually look at. A closed mind would object to new ideas that don't jibe with a preexisting bias. Perhaps your desire to make rules and enforce them on others will lead you to start your own forum? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 A closed mind would object to new ideas that don't jibe with a preexisting bias. Perhaps your desire to make rules and enforce them on others will lead you to start your own forum? WOW! Why didn't you credit your source for those comments? Do I need to go back and cite the instances where I have posted those comments to you? I even started one on your behalf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 He is link bombing your site. And just what is "link bombing"? Somebody posting links you don't like? Al-Jazeera is a really professional news service. You will find it to be rather more "fair and balanced" than, say, FOX. Hell, even Pravda is doing better. english.pravda.ru/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 And just what is "link bombing"? Somebody posting links you don't like? Eh, it's pretty obvious to me. And I really don't even care about the content he's linking. Look at the other posts. You see organized quotes and responses. You know, invidual thought and analysis (whether you agree with it or not). His posts are a link, half the text of the story, and one line saying "You should read all of this. It's really good." :rolleyes: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Eh, it's pretty obvious to me. And I really don't even care about the content he's linking. Look at the other posts. You see organized quotes and responses. You know, invidual thought and analysis (whether you agree with it or not). His posts are a link, half the text of the story, and one line saying "You should read all of this. It's really good." :rolleyes: Are you another person that can't or wont read?.....must be nice to know it all. Edited October 5, 2011 by Aces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Are you another person that can't or wont read?.....must be nice to know it all. I'm here to moderate. I'm not at all interested in what either side of the aisle is arguing about. So, no, I won't read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'm here to moderate. I'm not at all interested in what either side of the aisle is arguing about. So, no, I won't read. http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/47062-fact-check-the-wealthy-already-pay-more-taxes/page__view__findpost__p__733457 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/47062-fact-check-the-wealthy-already-pay-more-taxes/page__view__findpost__p__733457 Cryeth a river. I've made my point here. I could care less about anyone's politics. But for crying out loud, let it be YOUR politics, not somebody else's for a change. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Cryeth a river. I've made my point here. I could care less about anyone's politics. But for crying out loud, let it be YOUR politics, not somebody else's for a change. Don't join the book burners. Do not think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Don't join the book burners. Do not think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Dwight D. Eisenhower Not concealing anything. You can still post links, but posting links with half the story posted and one line such as those I quoted will not be tolerated. Post an original thought, then post your links to support your original thought. You do have original thoughts, don't you? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 :yup: After looking through some of the threads I have closed, they were all basically the exact same argument, so why have six different threads for it? Stay on topic. Stay civil. That's really all we ask. I'm suprised these "Ford Employee" threads stayed open this long! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 No need to add anything. 1000 words, right there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Board of Trade has a message for Occupy Chicago Someone at the Board of Trade is getting cheeky with the Occupy Chicago protests. This photo was taken by someone at the protests. It shows offices at the Board of Trade Building eight stories up with "We Are The 1%" taped to the windows. If only someone could hurl rocks that high. Ouch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Board of Trade has a message for Occupy Chicago Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 No need to add anything. 1000 words, right there. An education and high (or low) GPA does not mean you are smart in the real world. Socialism has been demonstrated bad yet some people praise the supposed merits or ideals of it. Ah to be young and stupid again....... Paying for his own education, what a concept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent. Are we sure of this? Are the poor getting poorer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Socialism has been demonstrated bad yet some people praise the supposed merits or ideals of it. In places like Scandinavia, for example..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 In places like Scandinavia, for example..... I'll help you pack. Got your passport ready? Might as well surrender your US citizenship because your Utopia will be so perfect, you'll never need to return. Right? For me, I'd rather stick with the good ole US of A, to fix what you broke then walked away from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) I'll help you pack. Got your passport ready? Might as well surrender your US citizenship because your Utopia will be so perfect, you'll never need to return. Right? For me, I'd rather stick with the good ole US of A, to fix what you broke then walked away from. Yeah about that, He's CANADIAN (Maybe it should "aboot" that). It's right there in his profile. BTW who made you boss of who gets to be an American? America is a free country. You can even be a Socialist if you want. You are beginning to resemble your avatar. Edited October 10, 2011 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Yeah about that, He's CANADIAN (Maybe it should "aboot" that). It's right there in his profile. BTW who made you boss of who gets to be an American? America is a free country. You can even be a Socialist if you want. You are beginning to resemble your avatar. I'm no boss. I was "OFFERING" a service to someone who would rather live in another country, where socialism is espoused to be working. The offer was sincere and heartfelt. If you hate the country and/or think another country sets a better example, I'd be the last person to stand in your way there. Don't let the screen door hit you on your way out. But don't try to re-invent the US to some standard drawn from elsewhere. I think the fundamental concept of the United States of America are unmatched. Where I have a problem is the implementation and mis-handling of the government by those who aim to "fundamentally change" the country. And I'm not JUST talking about Obama, but he's just the latest puppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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