630land Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 UAW will eventually die off :titanic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 UAW will eventually die off :titanic: You're probably right in that young workers/teachers don't care much about unions. They know very little nor care about the history of the union movement. Part of the reason many teacher unions are being steamrolled right now is because of the influx of young teachers into school districts over the last decade or so. They just want to teach and could care less about going to union meetings. As Ford finally starts hiring more and more new workers, and the high seniority, veteran workers finally retire, the UAW will change significantly. If the big employers treat their employees with respect and give them good working conditions, then you are probably right. But if they don't, then watch out as younger workers will start figure things out. Look at Amazon.com where they work people in 100 degree heat day after day in their huge distribution centers. Workers there are complaining and Amazon better watch it as their employees get fed up. Nothing exists in a vacuum. Generations of workers are not that different as they learn to adapt to their conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDogRex Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Not sure why you brought President Obama into this. He has nothing whatsoever to do with influencing how the UAW members are voting. REALLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 UAW will eventually die off :titanic: The "Occupy Wall Street" movement proves otherwise..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Richard, have you seen this? http://www.leftlanenews.com/uaw-says-no-vote-on-ford-deal-will-result-in-strike-ford-says-it-will-wire-scabs.html The UAW retracted comments attributed to lead Ford negotiator Settles to the effect that Ford had negotiated in good faith and was free to hire replacements; however the statement is substantially correct. Ford can hire replacements because they bargained in good faith. It looks more likely that this vote will pass, but it's worthwhile for the UAW to reflect on the break in pattern bargaining and the fact that they have equity stakes in GM and Chrysler--companies that are getting favorable and much more favorable deals than Ford, despite having lower and significantly lower labor costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 It looks more likely that this vote will pass, but it's worthwhile for the UAW to reflect on the break in pattern bargaining and the fact that they have equity stakes in GM and Chrysler--companies that are getting favorable and much more favorable deals than Ford, despite having lower and significantly lower labor costs. At least this time around. I think the reason the contract was approved overwhelming by the GM rank and file was because they couldn't strike and because the threat of arbitration. I suspect the GM workers won't be in such an accommodating mood four years from now when the next round of bargaining commences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Depends on whether or not they still have a stake in GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) The UAW retracted comments attributed to lead Ford negotiator Settles to the effect that Ford had negotiated in good faith and was free to hire replacements; however the statement is substantially correct. Ford can hire replacements because they bargained in good faith. It looks more likely that this vote will pass, but it's worthwhile for the UAW to reflect on the break in pattern bargaining and the fact that they have equity stakes in GM and Chrysler--companies that are getting favorable and much more favorable deals than Ford, despite having lower and significantly lower labor costs. IMO, the UAW's failure to sufficiently educate rank about this contract proposal and specifically, replacing COLA with additional bonuses is the root cause of all the present trouble, theyalso allowed a ground swell of negativity and anger towards lost conditions and Mulally overshadow what is being offered. It is human nature to stew on past hurt and grievances, everyone knows that but the UAW leadership should have been focusing rank and files' attention on what was being offered, that $16,000 in bonuses should have delivered an overwghelming "YES" vote but instead we're seeing a grudge vote of anger against Ford and Mulally's compensation, t's completely absurd. Edited October 15, 2011 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DearbornDerek Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 ***** Voting Results as of 10/16/2011 2:56 p.m. ***** UAW Hourly Yes: 11,666 (57.2%) No: 8,746 (42.8%) UAW Local 600 All Units (DTP/Rouge) Yes-3255 (62%) No-2027 (38%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 ***** Voting Results as of 10/16/2011 2:56 p.m. ***** UAW Hourly Yes: 11,666 (57.2%) No: 8,746 (42.8%) UAW Local 600 All Units (DTP/Rouge) Yes-3255 (62%) No-2027 (38%) Maybe now Gary WHINEowicz will shut his pie hole, as Clint Eastwood would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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