twintornados Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I would just LOVE to see a Cummins 5.9L ISB integrated into E-Series cut-a-way for fleet use....that would be BIG!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 From @mrlevine We've got some big @FordTrucks news at the @WorkTruckShow to share with you tomorrow! # wts2014 #FordNTEA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hmm. Clearance lights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hmm. Clearance lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Hmm. Clearance lights. BORG should be able to see right through this disguise.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Reminds me of the old Ford "636" diesel. It was all Cat (3208) with a Ford speced torque / rpm rating and valve covers with FORD stamped into them. Story at the time was Ford actually paid for some of the development costs on the V-636 and got to use the engine exclusively for a few years. When used by other manufacturers later on it was known as the 1140/1150/1160 series. That engine family was eventually developed into the 3208. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 FYI...the E-Series "dog house" engine bay CAN accommodate a straight six.....Fords own 300ci I-6 engine was the base motor for years in E150...had an '82 and an '89 with it and there was plenty of service room for up-keep. I don't know if the Cummins ISB inline six is longer, but I doubt it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 FYI...the E-Series "dog house" engine bay CAN accommodate a straight six.....Fords own 300ci I-6 engine was the base motor for years in E150...had an '82 and an '89 with it and there was plenty of service room for up-keep. I don't know if the Cummins ISB inline six is longer, but I doubt it... Now THAT was a motor-bring that back in Ecoboost trim! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 From @mrlevine Bh0tszqCAAA849m.jpg Hmnn- looks like a 650/750 hoodline??? And I thought ConExpo was going to be the announcement site- Perhaps those mule pictures we saw weren't that far off-nothing too radical-hybrid of some sort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Hmnn- looks like a 650/750 hoodline??? That's what it looks like to me. Getting the 6.7L maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Now THAT (300cid/4.9L I6) was a motor-bring that back in Ecoboost trim!Nah ! They need to build the secret "skunk works" cross flow SOHC version of that engine ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Had a conversation with a dealer friend of mine this morning. He says for sure what we are going to see is an "interim" 650/750 with a new hoodline (I asume to handle increased cooling) while utilizing existing cab- . Also says the V-10 will also now be available in 750 @ 33,000 lb. gvw but with juice brakes only. apparently a money issue to engineer an air compressor into the V-10 without spending a lot of money. Wonder if that means V-10 is about to be replaced by another gas engine. This guy has been selling a lot of 650 V-`10's to customers who can't justify the 10 grand diesel premium given their low annual mileage-which we all know to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Looks like that V10 is the right engine at the right time for Ford. Lower cost engine using lower cost fuel with lower maintenance costs (no DPF to worry about). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) From what I have heard, the only problem with this truck was....shocker- the V-6 version of the 6.0 PowerStroke. The cab was built by Mazda-don't know about chassis- I believe Navistar is still selling their version. Ford does build Cargos in this range in SA and Turkey so perhaps that could be an option. Yes... LCF used the 4th generation Mazda Titan design, but it wasn't built by Mazda. Blue Diamond built the cab in Mexico. Mazda exited the medium truck business in Japan around 2004 (Mark Fields was running the show in Japan and decided to focus on cars) and the Titan cab tooling became "free". It was shipped to Mexico and that's how LCF was born. Mazda replaced the Titan with a rebadged Isuzu Elf in Japan and still sells the rebadged model today. Edited March 6, 2014 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yes... LCF used the 4th generation Mazda Titan design, but it wasn't built by Mazda. Blue Diamond built the cab in Mexico. Mazda exited the medium truck business in Japan around 2004 (Mark Fields was running the show in Japan and decided to focus on cars) and the Titan cab tooling became "free". It was shipped to Mexico and that's how LCF was born. Mazda replaced the Titan with a rebadged Isuzu Elf in Japan and still sells the rebadged model today. THx for the info. Interesting that Fields kills the truck and then continues to market an outsourced truck??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 THx for the info. Interesting that Fields kills the truck and then continues to market an outsourced truck??????? The Japanese medium duty truck market was very competitive and Mazda was only a marginal player. Toyota (Hino), Isuzu, Volvo (UD), and Daimler (Mitsubishi Fuso) were all heavy hitters so for Mazda, it was smart to exit the business and focus on its main strength. But at the same time, the auto business in Japan is also very regional... For example, Toyota dominates the Kanto area (East Japan) but Mazda is relatively strong in West Japan since it is based in Hiroshima. So it made sense to continue selling medium trucks in its "home turf" of West Japan. Isuzu was willing to play ball so why not? Mark Fields was also responsible for ending Mazda's pickup truck program, with all the engineering resources transferred to Ford Australia. It made sense at that time when Mazda was essentially a Ford brand. The only thing Mazda kept was the light duty van (Mazda Bongo/Ford Econovan) - it entered into a cross-supply joint venture with Mitsubishi and Nissan - Mazda rebadged the Bongo as Nissan Vanette and Mitsubishi Delica in exchange for other rebadged Nissan and Mitsubishi light commercial vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Question: If the Super Duty 250-550 is going to an aluminum cab, will the 650-750 follow? It may make sense to keep the existing cab in production for these relatively low volume models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 It will be an interesting decision. Using the aluminum cab will increase costs, but keeping the old cab in low volumes will also increase costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Two things: 1 - Ford is required to stamp replacement parts, so it's not as though the tooling for the old cab is going to be ditched immediately. 2 - If Ford consolidates the E350/450 with the F650/750, then you've got plenty of volume for that cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Medium Duty is reported as arriving in Spring 2015, so it's more than likely the steel body adapted to MD (and E-Series cutaways?) Could it be that only F250 and F350 get a new alloy body to keep in front of EPA expectations and others remain steel body? That would mean duplication of pressing plants and body shops - can't do steel and aluminum together (contamination). Not meaning to go off topic but if Ford could reduce gas F250's weight by close to 1,000 lbs it would be similar weight as current F150, a combination of lighter alloy body (600 lbs) and frame (100 lbs) and selection of 5.0 V8 over 6.2 (300 lbs) could get it there. Edited August 15, 2014 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 You've got it backwards, JPD. If anything, the new E-Series cab will be used with the medium duties--the current medium duty cab is not going to be adapted for the E-Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) can't do steel and aluminum together (contamination). Uh, why not? DSP is producing aluminum sub assemblies and steel Focus doors at the same time. Edited August 16, 2014 by Pioneer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Uh, why not? DSP is producing aluminum sub assemblies and steel Focus does at the same time. I think he meant off the same dies--but you wouldn't use the same dies for steel and aluminum anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Thanks Richard, duplication of pressing process and then assembly form there on... Actually, the whole stamping & body shop assembly processes would have to be duplicated to keep both body types, oK for DSP but would that suit Ford KTP or would it simply bite the bullet and switch all SD and MD cabs to Alloy? I get how all SD and MD could share the majority of cab elements, just at a loss to see how E series is integrated, maybe as Richard suggests, E-Series aligns better with F650/F750.....being more cab over may help the case. Or perhaps Ford has a common cab design flexible enough to encompass the needs of all three vehicle types and their respective single, Supercab and Crewcab variations: - Cab low set - Long hood for F250-F550 - Cab high set - short hood for E series cutaway - Cab high set - long hood for F650 & F750. Edited August 16, 2014 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Guys- What am I missing. Isn't the E-350/450 on a short fuse? I thought the announced intention was that ultimately that series would be gone and be replaced by a Transit based cab structure. If so, then in my mind the question is does the new 650/750 get the new alloy cab. Agree with Ifeg- can you afford to produce a steel cab and an alloy cab? Could that new SD cab be incorporated into an E 350/450 replacement? I suppose it could but again I thought Transit would ultimately fill that roll. And I still wonder, would that same Transit "glass house" ultimately work its way into 650/750/"850"?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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