akirby Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 And adding "in my opinion" doesn't mean anything unless you're actually giving an opinion and not stating a fact and calling it an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr.f Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I've talked to several people in my area that has already seen them on the road (Louisville area) and Like them!!! That are Not Ford employees or family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 As I say when I see a Focus..."Yay...giant triangles for everyone!" Guess you wouldn't like this either: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Guess you wouldn't like this either: Can say, while the performance is there, the style is not that appealing IMHO. Now the GT, that was a car of beauty and true halo car! Edited December 20, 2011 by V8-X 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Can say, while the performance is there, the style is not that appealing IMHO. Now the GT, that was a car of beauty and true halo car! The GT90 was the concept car that introduced the "New Edge" look of Ford products in the late 1990s early 2000s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpatrick90 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Notice his statement of Problem is most people I know who have seen it, think the same. Blah, looks like everything else out there, nothing special about it's design. Everyone has their opinion about everything, whether you agree/disagree with that point of view. And to your point, just because you like a cars styling doesn't mean it is going to be a success either. Just like you are no more a 'styling barometer' than he is. I dislike the Explorer style and what has been done to it overall. But it's been a success. Would I buy one though? Answer is still, heck no. See this is where you are jumping to conclusions. I have never once claimed that the Escape will necessarily be a sales success. I am waiting to see how the market reacts to the new Escape before I come to any conclusions. Yes I do happen to like the styling of the new Escape but that doesn't guarantee it success on any level and I would never make such a silly claim either. Just because some inserts "in my opinion" doesn't mean much if they try asserting that "opinion" as something more concrete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpatrick90 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 The Liberty has 5000# tow capability, 4WD hi/low range, skid plates, etc. How many other CUVs these days have that kind of gear? People must forget that the Escape's chassis came from that extra manly, heavy duty Mazda 626 sedan. Those 626s had a ripping 170hp back in 2002. I agree completely. If someone thinks that the Liberty is somehow more effeminate than the Escape they are just being unreasonable. It isn't just the fact the Liberty has more capability than the Escape, it is also the fact that the styling of the Liberty has a lot of hard-angles that make a very squared off shape, nothing about the styling is soft; especially when compared to the Escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 The Liberty has 5000# tow capability, 4WD hi/low range, skid plates, etc. How many other CUVs these days have that kind of gear? People must forget that the Escape's chassis came from that extra manly, heavy duty Mazda 626 sedan. Those 626s had a ripping 170hp back in 2002. yep, and exactly how well is it selling and it has a bright future correct?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 The Liberty has 5000# tow capability, 4WD hi/low range, skid plates, etc. How many other CUVs these days have that kind of gear? People must forget that the Escape's chassis came from that extra manly, heavy duty Mazda 626 sedan. Those 626s had a ripping 170hp back in 2002. The Liberty sales sucess brings something to mind.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss444 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Just because you don't like a cars styling doesn't mean it is going to be a failure. That's exactly right. Never implied that at all. You are not some sort of 'styling barometer' that determines whether a cars styling allows a car to be a success or not. See above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss444 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 And adding "in my opinion" doesn't mean anything unless you're actually giving an opinion and not stating a fact and calling it an opinion. You are a piece of work. So even qualifying the statement as an opinion isn't enough for you. That's rich coming from the guy who when asked to provide a source for HIS statement, he posted a Wikipedia link. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 That's rich coming from the guy who when asked to provide a source for HIS statement, he posted a Wikipedia link. That's because you basically insisted that he prove a fish is a fish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 That's because you basically insisted that he prove a fish is a fish. POTW! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 So even qualifying the statement as an opinion isn't enough for you. What if I said "IN MY OPINION the earth is flat." Does that make it ok because I said it was my opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss444 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 What if I said "IN MY OPINION the earth is flat." Does that make it ok because I said it was my opinion? Sure. It's your opinion. The actual facts say otherwise, but it's ok that you have your opinion. Do you know what the definition of the word 'opinion' is? My link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Do you know what the definition of the word 'opinion' is? Do you know the difference between fact and opinion? The difference between fact and opinion is that a fact is something that is empirically true and can be supported by evidence, while an opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with some type of evidence. An opinion is normally a subjective statement that can be the result of an emotion or an individual interpretation of a fact. My link Your "opinions" are facts that aren't supported by evidence just like the one I posted about the Earth being flat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probeGT Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 OK, well now that everyone has finally settled their arguments , I gotta weigh in and say that even though I'm FIRMLY in the camp that the Escape needs a significant change in direction, I'm not feeling this at all. I liked the original shots that came out, and I don't know if this is just because of the poor photoshopping job, but in this pic the thing really looks busy and chintzy. I really need to see one or two in person. I know for sure I wish we didn't have to have those fender vents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) I know for sure I wish we didn't have to have those fender vents. I thought the fake fender vents were going out of style again, but I guess Ford wants to keep the dream alive. It is interesting to note that Ford seems to use trim level designations to differentiate between SUVs (they want you to consider as trucks) and CUVs (they want you to consider as cars). The vehicles they consider to be SUVs use XLT as one of the trim levels. Like the current Escape XLT, Explorer XLT or Expedition XLT. I assume this is to link them with the Ford truck line in people's minds. The CUVs use the car trim lines like SEL. Considering the Escape is now going with the SEL stuff it appears they want to link it with their car line instead of their SUV and truck line. Just an observation I noticed. Edited December 26, 2011 by 2005Explorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) I see a complex balancing act going on here, using a FoE design to save possibly $500 million in development costs counterbalanced against what the American buyer expects in a small SUv/CUV, clearly tastes are changing from what i see, this new Escape will probably latch onto those chnages but probably will draw a slightly different audience. Maybe what's also important is to balance todays sales with tomorrow's expected increase in ATPs, if Ford can get the same or better income by building less vehicles that also save on development costs, then they come out way ahead on profit. Companies like GM are so sales oriented that they miss the basic goal of good business, maximizing profit with least sales. Edited December 26, 2011 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Is it bad to say I hope the new escape fails because I hate European car design? Bring me a real American Ford Escape and then we can talk turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 As a consumer, you are free to spend your money anywhere you like, on what you like. Ford is only 15-16% of the market, so lots of people probably share your opinion... They won't lose any sleep over your choice of another car maker so neither should you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) Is it bad to say I hope the new escape fails because I hate European car design? Bring me a real American Ford Escape and then we can talk turkey at the risk of sounding "smartassy"....what exactly constitutes an "American" Escape?....in terms of the current model Dated? Noisy? and Unrefined?...... Edited December 27, 2011 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss444 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 at the rishk of sounding "smartassy"....what exactly constitutes an "American" Escape?....in terms of the current model Dated? Noisy? and Unrefined?...... What does that have to do with the European design? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 What does that have to do with the European design? its a response to Probowlers remark...".Bring me a real American Ford Escape and then we can talk turkey"...................what is "Real American?"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) Ford has done its product research, they know what buyers want, what envelope their common products cover and how much that will cost. Anyone wanting their favorite design of anything past will be dead a long time waiting for its return, time to move on people. And yes, Ford can do wrong but at the moment, the bottom line says differently. Edited December 27, 2011 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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