Pioneer Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 That sounds very expensive, there is no free lunch. The 2015 F-150 will be more expensive than the current model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Now this is interesting. I can't believe that this is not an "all or nothing" decision. Is it known which 150 source goes down first? Also what was PN 96. In any case IMO this is a good thread- many good points raised and the stakes are huge. I can't help but feel that the success of the ciurrent 150 hangs like a huge cloud over the decision. Dearborn goes down first. Job 1 is tentatively set for June/July 2014. Kansas City runs the current model until the end of the year, then shuts down for retool. PN96 was the code name for the 97 F-150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 When is Ford going to give up some capability to have a real increase in fuel economy? Why would Ford willingly give up capability to the competetion? Do keep in mind that the Consumer truck market more or less died off when cheap gas went away...sales of the F-series was nearly 1 Million units 10 years ago when gas was cheap, its back down to its historical levels there abouts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) I have a feeling that the 2014 Silverado will address a lot of problems with the existing vehicle but I think it will barely match the 2013 F150, Edited December 10, 2012 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Why would Ford willingly give up capability to the competetion? Do keep in mind that the Consumer truck market more or less died off when cheap gas went away...sales of the F-series was nearly 1 Million units 10 years ago when gas was cheap, its back down to its historical levels there abouts now. The kick is that Ford doesn't have to give up capability. A properly "lightened" and designed F100 can co-exist next to the "more capable" F150 and there would be no overlap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Dearborn goes down first. Job 1 is tentatively set for June/July 2014. Kansas City runs the current model until the end of the year, then shuts down for retool. PN96 was the code name for the 97 F-150. Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 The kick is that Ford doesn't have to give up capability. A properly "lightened" and designed F100 can co-exist next to the "more capable" F150 and there would be no overlap. But is the investment worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 4-5 MPG, but you are comparing: A 3.7 Gas F150 at 23MPG against A 3.5 turbo diesel powered T6 at 27 MPG Never mind the 32MPG 2.2 liter turbo diesel option. Those diesel MPG's aren't with US emissions regs... I never understand the parking space argument. Maybe because I've been driving pickups since I could legally drive (any many years before that), and I've never had an issue parking. I even find it easier to parallel park a pickup because you can see better. Once you've driven it for a little while, you get used to it. Especially if you're talking F150. F350s are "huge" but I've never had an issue parking them. I agree! I'd rather parallel park my crew cab Super Duty than my wife's Flex any day of the week, and twice on Sunday! I just avoid tight spots at stores, or park in BFE and fold in the mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheri/ck Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 For those worried about the parking problems with the current generation F-150, might should drive a regular cab with 6.5 bed. If you can find one optioned out well. We have one and the turning radius is pretty amazing. Even despite the height and width, it's an easy truck to whip around when needed and park pretty much anywhere. And, it does weigh considerably less than most F-150 configurations. With a V-8, the regular cab even with 4X4 is a very quick machine. And delivers good gas mileage. But, it is still big. Too tall and too wide, but the shorter wheelbase makes it feel a lot smaller in traffic. Maybe the best Ford option at the moment if you can live without a back seat. Pretty roomy cab otherwise. Just my two cents worth for those of us longing for a smaller truck from Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 But, it is still big. Too tall and too wide, but the shorter wheelbase makes it feel a lot smaller in traffic. Maybe the best Ford option at the moment if you can live without a back seat. Pretty roomy cab otherwise. Seriously people...the F-150 isn't too wide! Width (without mirrors) F-150 79.2 Chevy 79.9 Tundra 79.9 Titan 79.5 Ram 79.4 It would be nice if people did some research instead of just saying its too wide or too big when comparing it to other trucks, esp if those trucks are the same size! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Seriously people...the F-150 isn't too wide! Width (without mirrors) F-150 79.2 Chevy 79.9 Tundra 79.9 Titan 79.5 Ram 79.4 It would be nice if people did some research instead of just saying its too wide or too big when comparing it to other trucks, esp if those trucks are the same size! :rolleyes: They must be referring to the HUGE difference between the F150 and the new Ranger. Ranger: 72.8" You know, that 6.4" is a TREMENDOUS difference (8%) when you are talking about a truck. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 You know, that 6.4" is a TREMENDOUS difference (8%) when you are talking about a truck. :rolleyes: Thats roughly the difference between the length of the F-150 vs other competitions truck depending on cab and bed lenghts also... The Raptor is wider then all other F-150 models though... I think people are equating visual mass as phyical size....just becase the F-150 looks bigger doesn't mean it isn't bigger vs whats out there. I could see complants about the bed being deeper and harder to get stuff into from the side, but you also get to carry more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 ...Never going to happen....it will get hit with the Chicken tax... They can get around that by shipping the truck without the bed installed and "finish" assemble it here. But is the investment worth it? To ensure dominance in the lucrative light truck market? Hell yes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 To ensure dominance in the lucrative light truck market? Hell yes!! Ford doesn't have a Ranger, and they are completely dominating the light truck market today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 They can get around that by shipping the truck without the bed installed and "finish" assemble it here. VW was doing that and they closed the loop hole so it can't be done anymore http://www.cato.org/publications/trade-briefing-paper/ending-chicken-war-case-abolishing-25-percent-truck-tariff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Seems to me the only real significance of the T6 Ranger being in Denver is the fact that it is a regular cab, long bed model. If the only model currently on sale anywhere is the crew cab then Ford is probably just doing some high altitude testing of the regular cab version before it goes on sale in anywhere but here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Seems to me the only real significance of the T6 Ranger being in Denver is the fact that it is a regular cab, long bed model. If the only model currently on sale anywhere is the crew cab then Ford is probably just doing some high altitude testing of the regular cab version before it goes on sale in anywhere but here. Nah, that version of T6 has been on sale for quite a while, me thinks it's a support vehicle forFoA engineers doing high altitude testing of Ecosport and a couple of Fusions. Edited December 16, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Here's a question for ya: Does anyone know if the T6 shares any suspension components with the upcoming 2014 full size Transit? If it does and the 3.2L diesel is being certified for use in the US market for the Transit then perhaps there is still some hope.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Here's a question for ya: Does anyone know if the T6 shares any suspension components with the upcoming 2014 full size Transit? If it does and the 3.2L diesel is being certified for use in the US market for the Transit then perhaps there is still some hope.... No suspension is shared between the two but Ranger project provided auto trans versions back to Euro Transit applications..Nearly all markets that the T6 ranger sold in are Euro 4 or 5, the development of a US compliant 3.2 diesel will no doubt assist Ford Europe and rest of the world markets with the costs of ever tightening NOX regulations with Euro 6 diesel emissions. Edited December 16, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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