30 OTT 6 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 My bold S550 Mustang prediction: There will be no Ecoboost (GTDI) V8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 My bold S550 Mustang prediction: There will be no Ecoboost (GTDI) V8. Rumor has it that the EB V-8 will be a Shelby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivingEnthusiast Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Yea, as soon as it can be explained where in this engine compartment two turbos can be put. The width of the new engine compartment is the same, but the front corners are cut back for the "Fusion" type swept-back lights. On one side is the electronics - wiring, fuses, computer, and on the other is the airbox (which is smaller because there is less room than before). So while we might hope for a twin-turbo V-8, it's very hard to visualize where they would be placed. And don't look at the Cobra Jet concept for inspiration, because that placed the turbos so far forward they can't pass a crash test, and come of the exhaust passes over and around the control arms. This isn't production-capable. Edited August 19, 2013 by DrivingEnthusiast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) And then there are the completely unsubstantiated rumors like a 600+ HP flat-crank naturally aspirated Coyote engine. We're laughing at that one, frankly. It'd be nice if it's true, but the Coyote engine architecture can't support it. Somebody must have installed their NOS into the wring intake - their mouth. 1) try 500 HP 2) it's Not Coyote 3) It's not a flat plane crank 4) and it's not the 5.4/5.8 Edited August 19, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Yea, as soon as it can be explained where in this engine compartment two turbos can be put.{snip} So while we might hope for a twin-turbo V-8, it's very hard to visualize where they would be placed. (source) If for some reason this setup doesn't work, please let me know why not. I'm curious now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivingEnthusiast Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Simple - that's not production capable. The heat alone would boil the hood and the exhaust exit on the right would boil the brake fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Simple - that's not production capable. The heat alone would boil the hood and the exhaust exit on the right would boil the brake fluid. well in the 6.7 the turbo sits in the V and theres no hood bubbling there.....in the V maybe, and single turbo?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swine77 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 It is wider than the Fusion. At one point a trial body would not fit through the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 It is wider than the Fusion. At one point a trial body would not fit through the line. 3 across seating in the back seat? Maybe us parents with three kids still have hope yet! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 3 across seating in the back seat? Maybe us parents with three kids still have hope yet! We can only hope. But I seriously doubt the Mustang would vary from the 2+2 formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 We can only hope. But I seriously doubt the Mustang would vary from the 2+2 formula. Yeah, I know. Oh well, I probably won't be able to afford it until the kids are out of college anyway! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Simple - that's not production capable. The heat alone would boil the hood and the exhaust exit on the right would boil the brake fluid. well in the 6.7 the turbo sits in the V and theres no hood bubbling there.....in the V maybe, and single turbo?.... To answer both of you, we know that BMW's S65 engine (V8TT) has the turbos in the V. I think Audi and MB do the same with their newest engines. So maybe, just maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Ready to go: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 It is wider than the Fusion. At one point a trial body would not fit through the line. Huh? The Fusion isn't built at the plant yet anyways. Not to mention the Mustang is already wider then a Fusion with both of them not having mirrors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Ready to go: Yes. I believe a supercharged S550 is very possible. A roots type supercharger packages way better than twin turbos. There is a good episode of Autoline After Hours where the guest from Eaton Supercharger Division talks about how in some cases superchargers are superior to turbochargers, especially when it comes to packaging and boost lag. Also, modern supercharger efficiency is comparitable to turbochargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Huh? The Fusion isn't built at the plant yet anyways. Not to mention the Mustang is already wider then a Fusion with both of them not having mirrors The comment on Fusion is only as reference. As the poster said, they were evidently sending a trial unit down line and had some clearance issues. No matter how the analytical tools have improved over the years with things like virtual assembly, sometimes there are thinks that aren't accounted for, hence the physical test. I would read this to say that the new Mustang is wider than the present Mustang which we've already seen/heard. I also read it to say that the issues were relatively minor in nature and have been sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivingEnthusiast Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 These are all normal issues... there are any number of places where the width of some component - not necessarily the entire assembled car itself - would be a problem. Remember when they were building the 2000 R, the 265s wouldn't fit in their tire machine. Reference the National Geographic Megafactories show of a couple of years ago where they visited Flat Rock. Mustangs and Mazda6s were going down the same general line (each had their own sub-lines). Look at how many specific jigs had to be built and tested to build these.. them imagine the computer programming that had to be done. So it's not just fitting the new Mustang down the line, it's all the other work needed to actually put it all together. And the video revealed pre-production 2013s going down the same line as the 2012s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 1) try 500 HP2) it's Not Coyote 3) It's not a flat plane crank 4) and it's not the 5.4/5.8 HiPo 6.2? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 And then there are the completely unsubstantiated rumors like a 600+ HP flat-crank naturally aspirated Coyote engine. We're laughing at that one, frankly. It'd be nice if it's true, but the Coyote engine architecture can't support it. Feel free to explain that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivingEnthusiast Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 It's all compromises - a turbo has two giant heat pumps you have to properly package so they don't destroy everything around them. And a supercharger has serious heat soak issues. Driven aggressively on the track, even a ZR1 will be loosing power in the hotter climates. Supercharged cars suck for track use. Oddly, anyway, the Aussie supercharged Coyote doesn't make that much power, and the Falcons with it aren't that fast. And without forged internals, they aren't going to make much warrenty-able power as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 It's all compromises - a turbo has two giant heat pumps you have to properly package so they don't destroy everything around them.And a supercharger has serious heat soak issues. Driven aggressively on the track, even a ZR1 will be loosing power in the hotter climates. Supercharged cars suck for track use. Oddly, anyway, the Aussie supercharged Coyote doesn't make that much power, and the Falcons with it aren't that fast. And without forged internals, they aren't going to make much warrenty-able power as they are. You still haven't supplied any FACTS as to why "the Coyote engine architecture can't support it." Please supply details as to why, or all we have from you is trolling. Capisce? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Yea, as soon as it can be explained where in this engine compartment two turbos can be put.The width of the new engine compartment is the same, but the front corners are cut back for the "Fusion" type swept-back lights. On one side is the electronics - wiring, fuses, computer, and on the other is the airbox (which is smaller because there is less room than before). So while we might hope for a twin-turbo V-8, it's very hard to visualize where they would be placed. And don't look at the Cobra Jet concept for inspiration, because that placed the turbos so far forward they can't pass a crash test, and come of the exhaust passes over and around the control arms. This isn't production-capable. it may be hard to visualise yes, but remember, the Coyote is apparently plumbed for both turbos and DI....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Very sad, especially after I posted a thread where I state that my buddy bought a Mustang instead of a Camaro because of the poor visibility/presence of blind spot issues on the Camaro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 it may be hard to visualise yes, but remember, the Coyote is apparently plumbed for both turbos and DI....... You could even run a flat crank, too. Don't know why, but you could. I wonder if Ford will be expanding its use of the 5.0's liner-less construction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Very sad, especially after I posted a thread where I state that my buddy bought a Mustang instead of a Camaro because of the poor visibility/presence of blind spot issues on the Camaro! ?...lost me Joe, are you saying you have had seat time in the 2015 and noticed blind spots?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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