akirby Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Fixed it. I saw that too but it doesn't have a date on it. I wonder when it was published? Joey (ice-capades) gets the weekly updates. I'll ping him and see what the latest one says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Those are watermarks put in the picture by Car and Driver lol Don't be silly - water doesn't leave marks like that on the windshield. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Where did I say it was too late? I said it was much later than normal making it less likely, not impossible. "Normal" has varied widely in the past. It will vary widely in the future. For perspective, it was only October (two months prior to unveiling) when we got our first glimpses of any fully uncamo'ed Mustang parts, and those were leaked by insiders -- something less likely to occur with something less valuable to the media like the Edge. Publishers would likely sell their own mothers for a Mustang spy shot scoop. The Edge? Not so much. Edited April 22, 2014 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Also, who said they were slated to be 2015 models? The 2015 Ford Edge Concept. And other articles that indicated a 2014 production date but those were mostly from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 "Normal" has varied widely in the past. It will vary widely in the future. For perspective, it was only October (two months prior to unveiling) when we got our first glimpses of any fully uncamo'ed Mustang parts, and those were leaked by insiders -- something less likely to occur with something less valuable to the media like the Edge. Publishers would likely sell their own mothers for a Mustang spy shot scoop. The Edge? Not so much. Who said anything about leaks? I'm still talking about published information (order bank schedules, plant (job 1) schedules, order guides, pre production vehicle reveals. I'd give it a 20% chance of showing up by the end of the year (job 1) and that goes down 10% every month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 For the love of Pete...... I'm talking about an undisguised production version of the vehicle in question - 95% production ready and undisquised. Just like the MKC and Mustang we saw late last year. You do realize the 2015 Edge concept shown earlier is a hand built prototype that doesn't have a single piece of production sheet metal on it? In addition to no interior or drivetrain. The edge prototype does have an interior with at least functional lighting. There were lots of interior pics from last year's LA show. The first image of the new edge was first released in January or February of 2013. It could be released this year or next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 I saw that too but it doesn't have a date on it. I wonder when it was published? Joey (ice-capades) gets the weekly updates. I'll ping him and see what the latest one says. Yeah, I was looking for a date on it too but didn't see anything. Don't be silly - water doesn't leave marks like that on the windshield. It's "special" water haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Who said anything about leaks? I'm still talking about published information (order bank schedules, plant (job 1) schedules, order guides, pre production vehicle reveals. I'd give it a 20% chance of showing up by the end of the year (job 1) and that goes down 10% every month. As was mentioned by rmc, there are other unpublished Job 1 dates for vehicles we already know for certain are arriving later this year as well. Far as I know there are no order guides or Job 1 date published for the 2015 F-150 yet either, and that's certainly due out before the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 The edge prototype does have an interior with at least functional lighting. There were lots of interior pics from last year's LA show. The first image of the new edge was first released in January or February of 2013. It could be released this year or next. Correct. The MKX concept is the one without an interior (or drivetrain?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 As was mentioned by rmc, there are other unpublished Job 1 dates for vehicles we already know for certain are arriving later this year as well. Far as I know there are no order guides or Job 1 date published for the 2015 F-150 yet either, and that's certainly due out before the end of the year. I didn't even notice that - yeah, the F-150 just had "late May" listed as final 2014 model year orders, and nothing (not even TBD) for bank open nor Job 1 dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I suggest that Job 1 has slipped, and that it was previously planned for Q4 2014. I also suggest that the Edge is launching on a CD4 platform revised for CUV use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The edge prototype does have an interior with at least functional lighting. There were lots of interior pics from last year's LA show. The first image of the new edge was first released in January or February of 2013. It could be released this year or next. My mistake. I was thinking of the MKX concept. The Edge concept did have an interior but it was all hand built and not production pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I suggest that Job 1 has slipped, and that it was previously planned for Q4 2014. Nick says you're absolutely completely wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Nick says you're absolutely completely wrong. I said no such thing. I said there's absolutely nothing to suggest it can't be out before the end of the year...yet. Edited April 23, 2014 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 And there is absolutely nothing that suggests it will be out by the end of the year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Back in 2009, a deal was done with the CAW regarding approval of new product on CD4.2 for Oakville, that's coming up to five years, allow 12 months before start + 4 years development, we're on schedule for Q3 or Q4......maybe..... Edited April 23, 2014 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Talking to my friend this past weekend he said he thinks the codes for the MKX also are showing it as a 2016MY but wasn't sure, (he works at a supplier) Maybe there won't be a 2015 MKX? Also when I was coming home from the gym tonight I saw what looked like 3 new fully cameo S-Max's. Haven't actually seen the MKX/Edge mules in a while. Maybe they are goign to Launch Edge first build it for 4/5months then launch the MKX, moving it away from they are the same car. Edge launches as a 2015 and MKX as a 2016. Then launch the S-Max or Galaxy in the US as a 2016 as the next Flex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Talking to my friend this past weekend he said he thinks the codes for the MKX also are showing it as a 2016MY but wasn't sure, (he works at a supplier) Maybe there won't be a 2015 MKX? Also when I was coming home from the gym tonight I saw what looked like 3 new fully cameo S-Max's. Haven't actually seen the MKX/Edge mules in a while. Maybe they are goign to Launch Edge first build it for 4/5months then launch the MKX, moving it away from they are the same car. Edge launches as a 2015 and MKX as a 2016. Then launch the S-Max or Galaxy in the US as a 2016 as the next Flex? it's certainly possible they do it that way - could be a way to focus on a high-quality rollout with fewer issues than recent launches. As for S-Max/Galaxy - it wouldn't surprise me to see Galaxy here as a Flex replacement/Explorer alternative, BUT, I think they'd just stick with the Galaxy name - it's not like the Flex ever caught on to be much of a "known" nameplate, and for global lineup purposes, it'd just be easier. Vehicles like Fusion/Mondeo and Escape/Kuga stayed that way because the nameplates were well known in their various markets, so it didn't make sense to consolidate names. I don't see it being the same in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Ford would be desperate to avoid a recurrence of the Fusion-MKZ joint launch fiasco, if separation is the key to smooth launches then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Joey just confirmed that no dates have been published for the 2015 Edge yet. That tells me they were planning to launch the new version later this year but ran into issues so now they're deciding whether they can still get it out as a 2015 model or if they'll have to continue the current model for a few months as a 2015. I still think it will slip to spring. Not sure the separation is so much planned as it is just a result of different timing. MKX gets a lot more new features and options to line up with the rest of the Lincoln lineup. Although with Edge seemingly delayed they may end up debuting together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 And there is absolutely nothing that suggests it will be out by the end of the year either. The fact that it's been in the works for so long is an indication it surely could. We will know in the next couple of months. :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Joey just confirmed that no dates have been published for the 2015 Edge yet. That tells me they were planning to launch the new version later this year but ran into issues so now they're deciding whether they can still get it out as a 2015 model or if they'll have to continue the current model for a few months as a 2015. I still think it will slip to spring. So by that logic, the 2015 F-150 won't launch until next year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 So by that logic, the 2015 F-150 won't launch until next year either. From the press release: On sale late this year When it goes on sale late this year, the all-new Ford F-150 will continue the tradition And we've seen the actual production version of the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03 LS Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Possible MKS? On USAToday, there's a Lincoln video for China (in English). At 01:08 a sedan clay model is shown - tease of MKS? http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/23/ford-lincoln-china/8013811/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 From the press release: On sale late this year When it goes on sale late this year, the all-new Ford F-150 will continue the tradition And we've seen the actual production version of the vehicle. Ford has had on-sale dates slip before (Mustang has already slipped by several months). With the lack of any order guides or production dates, how can we be sure it's still on track? The non-existence of evidence isn't evidence of non-existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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