akirby Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Ripe for growth? What was the market when Ranger was killed versus the market now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Specific product attributes have been mentioned earlier in this thread; most impressive to me is that Colorado/Canyon injected renewed vigor into a market segment that was ripe for growth. Right product, right time. We'll see how long this "renewed vigor" lasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I mentioned that particular award because it's the topic of the thread.. Fair enough, although I have absolutely no idea why you would feel obligated to keep your posts on topic.... None of the rest of us do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Blueovalforums.com has the coolest mods, bar none... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) The other side to this is how Ford and GM responded to changes in their product delivery. up front costs. Ford ended most of its E Series production at Avon Lake while refitting the former Escape plant to make Transit while GM used introduction of Colorado/Canyon to replace production at it Express plant and will outsource Express replacement, The observation I make is that Ford chose the savings coming from reducing production volume over providing both transit and Ranger production and ther ROI that may or may not hane come from that. By comparison, GM has now invested much more in its half ton truck products and much less in its Van products. GM is now committed to half ton truck production whether a success or failure, where Ford is not instead choosing to commit to Transit production succeed or fail while GM "imports" Express. If you had to choose, would you rather build Rangers starting at $20K or Transits starting at $29K? It;s as simple as that. Edited March 6, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) The other side to this is how Ford and GM responded to changes in their product delivery. up front costs. Ford ended most of its E Series production at Avon Lake while refitting the former Escape plant to make Transit while GM used introduction of Colorado/Canyon to replace production at it Express plant and will outsource Express replacement, The observation I make is that Ford chose the savings coming from reducing production volume over providing both transit and Ranger production and ther ROI that may or may not hane come from that. By comparison, GM has now invested much more in its half ton truck products and much less in its Van products. GM is now committed to half ton truck production whether a success or failure, where Ford is not instead choosing to commit to Transit production succeed or fail while GM "imports" Express. If you had to choose, would you rather build Rangers starting at $20K or Transits starting at $29K? It;s as simple as that. The large Express is still in production, not the 1500 models anymore. http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/2014/12/22/gm-truck-plant-missorui/20795189/ In fact the plant the makes them is running 24/7 to fill Canyonrado and van orders. GM would probably make their own "T.Connect" in the future. Edited March 6, 2015 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 GM would probably make their own "T.Connect" in the future. They already do, it's called Express City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 They already do, it's called Express City Except it's not their own, it's a rebadged Nissan, which I think is what fgts was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Except it's not their own, it's a rebadged Nissan, which I think is what fgts was referring to. Good to know, I've never seen either version on the road or on a dealer lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) The large Express is still in production, not the 1500 models anymore. http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/2014/12/22/gm-truck-plant-missorui/20795189/ In fact the plant the makes them is running 24/7 to fill Canyonrado and van orders. GM would probably make their own "T.Connect" in the future. I should ahve mentioned only the 1500 Express was being outsourced. Interesting to note that Fprd invests in Transit wheile GM goes Mid sized truck it's almost like both are 1) playing to their strengths and 2) playing away from each other's products. And no, unless GM has a nice handy TC competitor developed by Opel to swallow costs, GMNA won't entertaing one. Having access to global products and doing brownfield changes is the only way those secondary products come to the USA. GMNA would not have biult another Colorado from scratch, nor would Ford NA have biult Transit from scratch either, so it's simply choosing products that have a chance of getting good sales without too much expense to deliver... Edited March 8, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 And no, unless GM has a nice handy TC competitor developed by Opel to swallow costs, GMNA won't entertaing one. Having access to global products and doing brownfield changes is the only way those secondary products come to the USA. GMNA would not have biult another Colorado from scratch, nor would Ford NA have biult Transit from scratch either, so it's simply choosing products that have a chance of getting good sales without too much expense to deliver... For the current Opel Combo, it's an rebadged Fiat Dalbo and in turn will be the Ram Promaster City . The Opel Zafira can be turned into a "T.Connect" ( it's basically a Cruze van).The problem is its not setup as a commercial vehicle. A Zafira would make a good candidate if built in the US as a commercial vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 For the current Opel Combo, it's an rebadged Fiat Dalbo and in turn will be the Ram Promaster City . The Opel Zafira can be turned into a "T.Connect" ( it's basically a Cruze van).The problem is its not setup as a commercial vehicle. A Zafira would make a good candidate if built in the US as a commercial vehicle. And yet, GM Europe/global has shown absolutely no interest in doing such a vehicle, makes you wondery hey.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Blueovalforums.com has the coolest mods, bar none... +1 Not to mention the coolest members, too! It's truly a great community, even (especially?) for old geezers like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 +1 Not to mention the coolest members, too! It's truly a great community, even (especially?) for old geezers like me. A lot of lattitude is given to allow spirited debate which is welcome compared to other sites where members do not tolerate protraced discuccions of other brands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Looks like workers at GM's Wentzville, Missouri assembly plant are skipping their lunch break in order to meet increased production goals for Colorado and Canyon pickup trucks: http://www.autonews.com/article/20150525/OEM01/305259968/gm-wrings-more-pickups-out-of-busy-plant The article notes that these models spend an average of only 12 days on dealer lots before being acquired by customers (as of mid May 2015), making it among the fastest selling cars or light trucks of any type. Edited May 25, 2015 by aneekr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Looks like workers at GM's Wentzville, Missouri assembly plant are skipping their lunch break in order to meet increased production goals for Colorado and Canyon pickup trucks: http://www.autonews.com/article/20150525/OEM01/305259968/gm-wrings-more-pickups-out-of-busy-plant The article notes that these models spend an average of only 12 days on dealer lots before being acquired by customers (as of mid May 2015), making it among the fastest selling cars or light trucks of any type. It's also due to GM limiting production since launch, it's a real toe in the water to see which product mix buyers want before ramping up .production with another shift this month. The actual sales depth is still a big question mark, hopefully one GM will answer in the next few months. Edited May 26, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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