jpd80 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Thanks banker 55, very informative post.... Let's go back a step.... The only thing I worry about is the paint corrosion issue that Ford has had such an issue with on other aluminum body panels. Changes in paint process have been introduced and will hopefully flow to other plants where aluminum panels are painted: The Dearborn Truck Plant paint shop was updated with dirt detection technology and increased robotic paint automation for more durable paint application resulting in best-in-class exterior appearance for the all-new F-150. Other new processes support the addition of new truck features, such as installation of a class-exclusive 360-degree camera with split-view display....LINK Edited June 20, 2015 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 "factory paint quality" LOL Sorry, not saying that corrosion on the aluminum hoods isn't an issue but I had to laugh at that comment. Are you referring to lousy quality of factory applied exterior paint on Ford vehicles generally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 @aneekr, yes. Although I will add that my 2013 F150 paint is decent with very little orange peel. In my experience, somehow the paint on my 2002 Mustang is better than all of the other Fords I have owned. The 2005 Lincoln LS was the worst. Horrible dust pits under the clearcoat and a spot on the A pillar missing paint all together, primer was showing under the clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Awesome post banker, that's exactly what I was thinking of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Yes. You did: http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59160-top-steelmaker-fights-for-autos-after-ford-defects-to-aluminum/&do=findComment&comment=944455 You said that an individual who had no issue was 'in the minority'. Under what definition is that not an allegation that a majority of Ford's aluminum hoods have this issue? Grow up. It's a common problem. When you have at least four different models all experiencing galvanic corrosion on the hood it's a common problem. I'm not going to split hairs with you like some petulant child trying to play gotcha. What happened to claiming that I said half of all F150's have the issue? Oh that's right I never said that, you did. So now you have to change the parameters of your silly argument to suit your silly point of view. Edited June 20, 2015 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 What happened to claiming that I said half of all F150's have the issue? Oh that's right I never said that 02MustangGT: "We must be in the minority" Blackhorse: "I guess you must be." Saying that a person WITHOUT problems is IN THE MINORITY is the same as saying that a person WITH problems is IN THE MAJORITY. Now how can you say that 'a majority' of vehicles have this problem without meaning that over half the vehicles have this problem? Words mean things Blackhorse, and they're basically the only tools we have to communicate with on this forum. If you refuse to speak precisely and you refuse to take ownership of your previous remarks, you cannot possibly expect people on this forum to take you seriously or treat your comments as rational observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) 02MustangGT: "We must be in the minority" Blackhorse: "I guess you must be." Saying that a person WITHOUT problems is IN THE MINORITY is the same as saying that a person WITH problems is IN THE MAJORITY. Now how can you say that 'a majority' of vehicles have this problem without meaning that over half the vehicles have this problem? Words mean things Blackhorse, and they're basically the only tools we have to communicate with on this forum. If you refuse to speak precisely and you refuse to take ownership of your previous remarks, you cannot possibly expect people on this forum to take you seriously or treat your comments as rational observations. Yes words do mean things Richard. Like saying that I am implying the corrosion issue is a bigger problem than it really is just because I personally had that issue on my car. I never said that, never alleged that and never will. You made that accusation, not me. You came up with that all by yourself and it's entirely inaccurate. So what if my car had the corrosion issue. It happened and I had it taken care of. It does not in any way mean that I am in any way making more of the issue than it is. I simply stated that the corrosion issue is a common problem, which it is. The corrosion issue is what is, even if you don't want to accept that reality because you worship at the alter of Ford. You are the one that said I was implying that over half of all F150's have the corrosion issue. I never said that, never implied that and never will. You came up with that all on your own because it suited your ridiculous desire to start yet another argument with me and it's entirely inaccurate. So do please continue to lecture everyone about how words mean things. It is truly entertaining. Edited June 21, 2015 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I never said that, never implied that and never will. Does 'minority' mean 'less than half'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Does 'minority' mean 'less than half'? Does "common problem" mean more than half? Let me guess, you ran out of fence posts in South Dakota to argue with. Look I get it man. You're upset because I won't bend the knee and worship Ford as you do. It's never going to happen. You have nothing to say so long as posters around here are in praise of Ford and critical of every other brand. But let anyone say anything even remotely critical of Ford and here you come on your big blue horse to defend them. It's laughable. Ford is not perfect. No corporation is perfect and no corporation is worth the praise that some people heap upon them. Not Ford, not any of them. So like it or not, sometimes Ford makes mistakes and when those mistakes get pointed out on your beloved forum you get your ire up and start insulting people. The corrosion issue is a common problem. It is a problem that has and is occurring on at least 4 different models. The notion that just because the rate of affected vehicles is not astronomically high does not mean its just something to wave off. It also doesn't mean that Ford is a bad brand or that people shouldn't buy them. I wouldn't have any problem buying an F150 personally even knowing that there is the potential for corrosion. I would simply have it taken care of. I can do that because I realize something that apparently escapes you and that is that no vehicle is perfect, not even Ford. Issues will arise and you either take care of them or you get rid of the vehicle. It's really pretty simple. Now I'm through discussing this with you because no matter what you say you can't change reality and I'm tired of the trolling. Go find a fence post. Edited June 21, 2015 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Yet he you say he's irrelevant..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Yet he you say he's irrelevant..... As he just clearly demonstrated, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I'm tired of the trolling. Good! Go find a fence post. Be more productive than trying to explain things to you. And yes, 'minority' means less than half, so you did say that more than half have the issue. Whether you like it or not. RJ is just trying to explain it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Let me guess, you ran out of fence posts in South Dakota to argue with. Did you just compare yourself to a fence post? You compare yourself to fence posts, you claim that people without problems are in a minority and won't take ownership of that claim. You're an interesting person on a Saturday night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Did you just compare yourself to a fence post? You compare yourself to fence posts, you claim that people without problems are in a minority and won't take ownership of that claim. You're an interesting person on a Saturday night. I'm pretty sure he's "interesting" 24-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 As he just clearly demonstrated, Clearly not or you wouldn't get so worked up by what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Clearly hyperbole! "Majority " is over 50% "Common problem" is less defined. A common problem in relationships may be the majority, a common problem in automobiles is usually much less, 10% or less I'd guess. I had a 05 Mustang GT. I never noticed it, if it existed. If there was a blister on the underside of an aluminum hood i wouldn't give a hoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 @aneekr, yes. Although I will add that my 2013 F150 paint is decent with very little orange peel. In my experience, somehow the paint on my 2002 Mustang is better than all of the other Fords I have owned. Interesting fact. If your truck was built at DTP, both vehicles went through the same paint building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Thanks for the post Pioneer. My truck was indeed built at DTP. Wasn't this paint building updated recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Thanks for the post Pioneer. My truck was indeed built at DTP. Wasn't this paint building updated recently? They've had periodic updates during shutdowns, but they did something major changing over to the 2015 model. Don't know a lot about what goes on in there. Only building I haven't worked in. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Paint can change from year to year....back in the 1980s, the Escort GT had a different shade of red from 1986 to 1989 because of paint problems. The 86 had a Orangy Performance Red color that oxidized horribly that changed to a more Red color in 1987 that I guess helped or fixed the issue it was having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banker55 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 They've had periodic updates during shutdowns, but they did something major changing over to the 2015 model. Don't know a lot about what goes on in there. Only building I haven't worked in. Yet. Increased robotic paint automation and Fords new dirt detection technologies were installed at DTP and Kansas City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewq4b Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Ford has been using aluminium hoods continually for over 35 years now. That's longer than a good chunk of the posters on this forum have been alive. This should not be a discussion of weather it is a common problem or uncommon, but why is it happening at all. There is ZERO excuse for this to be happening. Any one that argues different is either blind or stupid. This is not a technical problem or an engineering problem, but poor QA/QC simple as that. So call it what it is, poor QA/QC on Ford's part. This was never an issue in the very late 70's the 80's or the 90's on Ford cars with aluminum hoods. Somewhere along the line in the 2000's QA/QC went for a shit when it came to either manufacture, prep, or coating application. Ford produced hoods out of aluminium for decades prior with no issues Ford should be fixing every single one of these within the body/paint warranty period with no questions asked. Matthew Edited June 23, 2015 by matthewq4b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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