Sherminator98 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 https://fordauthority.com/2025/01/imported-lincoln-nautilus-may-survive-2027-chinese-vehicle-ban/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 But will they have more soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hurry up and bring over Zephyr!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, twintornados said: Hurry up and bring over Zephyr!!! Add Zephyr hybrid to Flat Rock, move EVs to BOC and add Nautilus to Louisville. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 hours ago, akirby said: Add Zephyr hybrid to Flat Rock, move EVs to BOC and add Nautilus to Louisville. Bring it over for now to establish it....I agree with your sentiments though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 15 hours ago, akirby said: Add Zephyr hybrid to Flat Rock, move EVs to BOC and add Nautilus to Louisville. Common sense solution which Ford will unlikely do. We all know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 16 hours ago, akirby said: Add Zephyr hybrid to Flat Rock, move EVs to BOC and add Nautilus to Louisville. If there is a 4-door Mustang coming, I'd rather Lincoln have a version of that than Zephyr for more prestige to it. Otherwise, I've been saying for a long time that Zephyr and the Evos should come over as single sedan-like offerings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 18 minutes ago, rmc523 said: If there is a 4-door Mustang coming, I'd rather Lincoln have a version of that than Zephyr for more prestige to it. Yea, Americans don't care for an anonymous, boring unibody Lincoln sedan like the Chinese Z/Zephyr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 33 minutes ago, rmc523 said: If there is a 4-door Mustang coming, I'd rather Lincoln have a version of that than Zephyr for more prestige to it. Luxury buyers prefer hybrids over high performance and RWD. At least for Lincoln buyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 14 minutes ago, morgan20 said: Yea, Americans don't care for an anonymous, boring unibody Lincoln sedan like the Chinese Z/Zephyr I think it looks great. Not really any different than Nautilus. It won’t be a huge money maker but dealers could use another product in between Corsair and Nautilus and Flat rock needs more production. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 21 minutes ago, morgan20 said: Yea, Americans don't care for an anonymous, boring unibody Lincoln sedan like the Chinese Z/Zephyr 8 minutes ago, akirby said: Luxury buyers prefer hybrids over high performance and RWD. At least for Lincoln buyers. I think the Zephyr would be a fine offering as-is. I'm just saying if there is also already work being done on a model that needs a platform mate to help with amortization and can be an offering that "looks better" both visually and brand prestige wise, I'd advocate going that route vs. a FWD sedan. And offer the RWD model in a hybrid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 13 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I think the Zephyr would be a fine offering as-is. I'm just saying if there is also already work being done on a model that needs a platform mate to help with amortization and can be an offering that "looks better" both visually and brand prestige wise, I'd advocate going that route vs. a FWD sedan. And offer the RWD model in a hybrid. In that case I would make the RWD a separate high end model. Like Lexus did with ES and GS. Because FWD hybrids are cheaper and get better mpg which is what most buyers care about. Ford’s RWD hybrid setup is ingenious from a manufacturing standpoint but isn’t the most efficient. Edited January 17 by akirby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 23 minutes ago, akirby said: In that case I would make the RWD a separate high end model. Like Lexus did with ES and GS. Because FWD hybrids are cheaper and get better mpg which is what most buyers care about. Ford’s RWD hybrid setup is ingenious from a manufacturing standpoint but isn’t the most efficient. I guess they could go back to 2 sedan offerings. Zephyr and "Continental" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Otherwise, I've been saying for a long time that Zephyr and the Evos should come over as single sedan-like offerings. I agree on both counts but I think the Evos is particularly egregious. I think it would sell very well if priced appropriately. It’s a very good looking vehicle, with a cool interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: I guess they could go back to 2 sedan offerings. Zephyr and "Continental" Large sedans are even worse than midsizers and they would have to stretch the current C2 in both directions. They also killed the transverse V6s and a 2.3L hybrid is probably not enough power for the top of the line Continental. RWD can use the Braptor 3.0 or the Coyote v8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, akirby said: Large sedans are even worse than midsizers and they would have to stretch the current C2 in both directions. They also killed the transverse V6s and a 2.3L hybrid is probably not enough power for the top of the line Continental. RWD can use the Braptor 3.0 or the Coyote v8. No, Zephyr would be C2 and basically brought over as-is (adhering to local regulations, of course). I used "Continental" as a placeholder name for the Mustang 4-door-based model - I wasn't proposing a C2 continental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 (edited) 10 hours ago, rmc523 said: No, Zephyr would be C2 and basically brought over as-is (adhering to local regulations, of course). I used "Continental" as a placeholder name for the Mustang 4-door-based model - I wasn't proposing a C2 continental. We more or less already had that and it was built at Flat Rock too. Edited January 18 by Sherminator98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 36 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: We more or less already had that and it was built at Flat Rock too. Except it was cd4 with ecoboost V6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 6 hours ago, akirby said: Except it was cd4 with ecoboost V6s. Right but what is being talked the old continental is more or less the same exact thing, which makes me wonder how viable it would be. It was a full sized product like the new Taurus is in the Middle East but I think something smaller like the Lincoln Z would work better at its size and price point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: Right but what is being talked the old continental is more or less the same exact thing, which makes me wonder how viable it would be. It was a full sized product like the new Taurus is in the Middle East but I think something smaller like the Lincoln Z would work better at its size and price point Oh I agree the midsized would be first choice. I was just saying IF they did a larger sedan it would need to be RWD - C2 won’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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