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I was just clarifying that the $700 navigation option did not include the 8" color touchscreen - that comes with MFT already.

When both sides spend all their time attacking the other side instead of focusing on what needs to be done to fix the problems and working together - we're all screwed.

You have to get MyFordTouch first then it's $795 EXTRA just for the Navigation software and maps.

Minivans are so unique they may as well be unique platforms. The features are certainly unique. It's not that it can't be done - just that it would take a big effort and a lot of resources to do it. The F150 is only sold in North America but I don't think anyone would argue that it's world class.

Sure, they could spare it but it would take more than that to pay for a new minivan. Flex is just a tophat on a shared platform. And that platform isn't suitable for a world class minivan.

Then you'll be fired like the 2 executives they just let go.

There is a huge difference between keeping a minivan that already has a competitive modern platform and a loyal customer base versus trying to develop one from scratch and add it to the manufacturing mix and take away buyers from other established brands. There is also a difference between a manufacturer like Honda who only has a few vehicles versus Ford who has many many vehicles that all require capital investment. Ford could easily go after the minivan market but it would have to give up something else to do it.

There is a huge difference between fault and responsibility. It's ultimately Ford's responsibility and I don't see Ford trying to shirk that. They're responsible for every vehicle they sell and they are fixing them. Pointing out that it was a part problem caused by a manufacturing defect is the truth and it would make me feel better that they knew exactly what failed and why and that it would not reoccur. Regardless of how much something costs, you can't expect something so mechanically complicated to never ever have a problem. It's just not realistic.

He'd take it as a compliment....

What planet have you been living on? The Expedition is still built on a modified F150 platform. It's not car based and it's certainly not crossover height. And whatever poor sales the expedition has now - the Excursion you propose would be FAR worse.

They do these with Healey from USA Today and Cars.com and some random family. There is never a good explanation for their ratings.

That's still what all of the incentives say. The rebate protection program supercedes that. Like I said they've had this policy in Canada for years and for certain dealers in the U.S. They just expanded it.

It's Ford policy. It used to only be available to certain dealers but they opened it up to more dealers a couple of years ago. Not sure if it applies to ALL dealers though but it is legit and does come from Ford. Ford's done this in Canada for years.

I always wanted to run an ad on tv that said you could lease a brand new F150 for just $50/month for 36 months. $30K due at signing.

Think about it - body shops replace doors and hatches on a daily basis. As long as they're careful it should be just as good as new. If not you can still refuse it.

They probably think MTV still has music videos.....

Because it was first one with MFT and it was the one they tested in the magazine where they noted the problems. They're just regurgitating what their magazine articles said without any real thought or research.

Most dealers can offer you the option of the incentives in place at time of order OR at time of delivery, whichever you choose.

Trolls don't do homework.

Think about what you just said - the vast majority of NASCAR fans are already brand loyal - so there's no benefit to advertising to them. I think the main reason Ford is still in NASCAR can be summed up in 4 words: Yates, Roush, Wood Brothers. Really? So if Dale Jr. moved to Toyota he wouldn't be the most popular driver any more? If that were true then nobody would be pulling for any Toyota drivers. Outside of a few hardcore brand loyalists I believe most fans root for the drivers, not the makes.

I don't think that's exactly what they were thinking. They were probably thinking that they weren't going to get back to that volume in the next few years and that if and when they needed additional plant capacity they would be better off building newer more flexible plants.

What Gloria said. You go girl. Why is it that any time someone tries to put reported problems into a factual context people like V8-X and Cheri somehow equate that to claiming there are NO problems at all or that Ford should ignore the situation? The original MFT was a total fiasco but even it did not affect every vehicle produced. We had Edge owners who hardly ever had a problem with the original software, but any time that was mentioned the folks who had problems went ballistic calling me a Ford employee and apologist, etc. Until the other owners actually spoke up and confirmed that they were not having the same problems as everyone else. If 75% of a model has a serious problem that's one thing. If 10% have a minor issue then that's entirely different. Like Gloria said - Perspective please.

The X plan formula is dealer invoice (the real invoice which includes advertising, etc.) minus 0.4% (that's 4/10ths of 1 percent) plus $275. It used to be less than dealer invoice. It is possible to get lower than X plan but you have to beware of 2 things: 1 - rebates. With X plan you still get all rebates and sometimes additional rebates. If X plan is $30k as printed on the invoice but there is a $1k rebate then your final X plan price is $29k. The dealer could be quoting you $30K AFTER the rebate which means you're actually paying $1K more. 2 - doc fees or other hidden fees/dealer add-ons. With X plan the dealer cannot charge more than $100 for the doc fee and forced dealer add-ons are not allowed. Without an actual X plan pin the dealer could charge you $500 doc fee and/or force you to buy paint protection or pay a dealer prep fee, etc. That said, there are some dealers who are basically giving away new vehicles. I don't understand why or how they stay in business but it is possible. You just have to be very very careful. I still use X plan because it's safer and the dealer gets a spiff check for each plan sale. I don't mind the dealer making a few hundred bucks.

Saying that NASCAR is the number one motorsport in the U.S. is like saying the Rangers are the #1 hockey team. On top of that, NASCAR is all about the drivers and the teams now, not the mfrs. All the cars are identical. Winning on Sunday doesn't mean squat for the mfr on Monday. NASCAR is not a wise investment for any mfr right now.

I know that's what Retail typically means but in the context of the order guide saying that the manual transmission is only available on retail orders doesn't make sense. Also - at the top of each section it refers to "Retail series mix" - again, I don't think that would only apply to customer orders.