UAW SENIORITY HELP

[butthead]

You try to rationalize what a UAW local does and why. They must have gotten the ok by the internationl. Look, all any one has is senority.

[butthead]

Ok,

 

We all agree that the dead beats should get the ax.

 

I suggest we dont have relocation money. The company wont go for it so stop the BS. No money to move for a job.

 

No one is displaced. Force the Company to fill open positions with laid off workers. Anyone with senority when their plants close has recall rights in or out of zone. If your in zone you have one chance, take the job or give up your recall rights. If your out of zone you have one chance of refusal but you go to the bottom of the list and have to wait until it comes around again. You must take the job or your out.

 

No job classifications, if your production your production you just have to take the job. Skilled tradeds will be placed by classification first then by senority and be trained. No new hires and no apprentices until all current trades are placed. All plants that have MOA's must take the trade specific then laid off trades by senority and be trained.

 

Any one with 45 years senority has one year to get their affairs in order and are retired. The next year employees with 44, then 43, then 42, etc until 40 and mandatory retirement. This along with people who want to retire after 30 will create enough opening to have everyone back to work.

 

U.I. and sub will be fully funded. Gen will be cut to 20% of base but employess will be allowed to go to school on the employees dime and or work outside of Ford until being recalled. NO sitting in a room like an inmate!

 

This is my start that the International will recieve as soon as I can figure out who is going to lead us through this organized downsizing. Anyone have any idea of who the next leaders will be.

 

IF ANYONE HAS ANY CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION AND OR COMMENTS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO HELP. I WIIL TRY.

[Imawhosure]

Polska, you anywhere around?

 

Please PM me so we can discuss a written petition.

 

Also, please inform us how this attitude has been recieved in your plant.

 

I am thinking that the union is not happy, but then again I could be wrong.

[daddydave1970]

Ok,

 

We all agree that the dead beats should get the ax.

 

I suggest we dont have relocation money. The company wont go for it so stop the BS. No money to move for a job.

 

No one is displaced. Force the Company to fill open positions with laid off workers. Anyone with senority when their plants close has recall rights in or out of zone. If your in zone you have one chance, take the job or give up your recall rights. If your out of zone you have one chance of refusal but you go to the bottom of the list and have to wait until it comes around again. You must take the job or your out.

 

No job classifications, if your production your production you just have to take the job. Skilled tradeds will be placed by classification first then by senority and be trained. No new hires and no apprentices until all current trades are placed. All plants that have MOA's must take the trade specific then laid off trades by senority and be trained.

 

Any one with 45 years senority has one year to get their affairs in order and are retired. The next year employees with 44, then 43, then 42, etc until 40 and mandatory retirement. This along with people who want to retire after 30 will create enough opening to have everyone back to work.

 

U.I. and sub will be fully funded. Gen will be cut to 20% of base but employess will be allowed to go to school on the employees dime and or work outside of Ford until being recalled. NO sitting in a room like an inmate!

 

This is my start that the International will recieve as soon as I can figure out who is going to lead us through this organized downsizing. Anyone have any idea of who the next leaders will be.

 

IF ANYONE HAS ANY CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION AND OR COMMENTS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO HELP. I WIIL TRY.

I totally agree with everthing you said, well put and it seems like that would alleviate alot of problems. I can only see one suggestion that might help.

 

Survey employees within the Ford assembly plants, get the 100K buyout out to the lower seniority people who are not vested in the company, and that gets employees who are in gen a place to transfer to.

[grindliner1968]

Now that I am back to work and the shoe is on the other foot, people want to change the rules and bump me out???? :o Where were you guys when it was MY ass on the line??????? Ya Im with ya my UNION BROTHER!!!!!! :rolleyes:

 

 

I hear ya VDTRANSMAN!

 

When I hired into Utica Trim, I was told, "foam is going to Chesterfield, You are going with it, and Chesterfield is going to close!" Then I was told "It must suck to be you!"

 

A year after I started my apprenticeship, they announced the closing of Chesterfield, and that myself and several other apprentices were placed in gen, and again, we were told by some "It must suck to be you".

 

I have now finished my apprenticeship, and some of the people said "it must suck to be me" are now in GEN.

 

I guess what goes around, comes around!

 

 

I feel sorry for my brother Razor Sun, whom, as an apprentice, sat in GEN at Chesterfield for well over a year, was offered a spot at Atlanta, and took it.

 

 

As far as what to do about the current situation, whatever way you look at it, someone is going to lse their job.

 

I guess what disgusts me the most, is seeing a guy 70 years old, with 35+ years seniority, That won't retire because he has a gravy job, on the news or in the paper saying "Gee, I really feel sorry for the younger people, that don't have alot of time in...."

[Pumpmaster]

:angry: I have tried hard not to get into this post, but I am sick of it. No wonder Mr. Ford and Mr. Fields think they can do what ever their little heart desires when it comes to cutting jobs and ignoring the contract, their is absolutely no United in this UAW. I understand not wanting to lose our jobs. But I wonder about those who brought up this topic what was your seniority say in 79 or into the early 80's? Did this kind of topic come up then, I don't think so. I know a lot of people who spent 8 or 9 years laid off while some of you people with less time then them got to go on. I don't like everything in the contract either. And I wish nobody had to be laid off, but this is not the solution. WAKE UP PEOPLE AND STOP LETTING THE COMPANY DO THIS TO US, STICK TOGETHER, GET BEHIND GETTELFINGER, HE'S ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW STOP AIRING YOUR DIRTY LAUNDRY HERE. We are showing our true colors here and their not Blue, their Yellow.

 

P.S. There is one more thing, we better be looking to God for some help.

 

Sure looks to me like "God" failed us! We'd better start helping each other.

[Hosh]

I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE, SO PLEASE READ AT LEAST THIS PART OF THIS POST---------------->We all know in 2007 the contract is due, and everyone on the outside looking in will also get to vote. If they aren't working again, or have little hope of returning, how do YOU think they will vote, especially since GEN is going to probably be a distant memory?

 

1.Do the lower seniority people want to stop their economic lives, and worry if system wide seniority is instituted in 2007? And it very well may be at the behest not of the union, but of Ford Motor itself, once they have MOST of the people who will be cut in place so as there will be few double moves.

 

2.Do we as the UAW want unrest as this soap-opera continues within our plants, old versus young, for no apparent reason except for the fact their seniority has them in this situation, and the company can't give a direct answer now since the contract is not up, and the union......well the union, who the hell knows what they are thinking.

3. Do the hard working brothers and sisters of ANY plant deserve such treatment, in any classification, especially if they attend work regularly?

 

If you are really about mutual protection and not just talking stuff, you should've answered "no, no, hell no" to each of the above questions.

 

Now, while we have a chance, we must push for a choice that will help them, and help us in the long run to boot. And what would that be?????? Exactly what POLSKA has said in the post he/she made.

 

If we are to push to eventually save all of our jobs, this probably has to be done anyway. If we use our numbers to do this through union membership pressure, I am personally of the opinion that room will be made for each and every "displaced GOOD worker" in our system, and very, very, quickly.

 

The workers who have been displaced must now become the impetus to fix what is broken in OUR HOUSE, and not Fords. Ford must worry about their own house, and we have a stake in that too, just as they have a stake in us fixing ours.

 

DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE CARRYING DEADWEIGHT ON YOUR BACK, as your hard working brothers and sisters lose their jobs, and your pay and benefits certainly decrease? If you can't bring yourself to say "no, I don't want to, and I will vote for a change to rectify this inequity," then don't worry about someone else with more seniority taking your job, before long, we probably will have more plants closing cause we still aren't competing unless we earn BELOW what our competition does, and I don't think one person here wants to do that either.

 

Remember all, this is about cleaning house, putting people back to work that desrve it, and strengthening our companys position; meaning ours too.

 

And any goofy union rep WHO DARES come in here and say this is somehow wrong as we are working against other union brothers and sisters to cost them their job is FULL OF IT!!!!!! Hey Mr/Miss union rep, didn't you get your position by running against another brother or sister to get your job.......and win because you were thought to be better qualified, and would work harder than the slacker whos place you took!!!!! You WHIPSAWER, DOG EAT DOGGER you!!!!! LOLOLOLOL, I luv those phony socialist terms, hehehehehehehehe!

 

I believe we need to start a petition, and POLSKA, that would be you!!!!!!!!!!! PM me, and we will discuss this at length if the brothers and sisters on this board agree. Let us see what they say!!!!!

IMA I agree with alot of the information you share with us on the oval, but you should try to get to the point a little quicker

[sickofthebs]

I totally agree with everthing you said, well put and it seems like that would alleviate alot of problems. I can only see one suggestion that might help.

 

Survey employees within the Ford assembly plants, get the 100K buyout out to the lower seniority people who are not vested in the company, and that gets employees who are in gen a place to transfer to.

hell no,,what the hell are you thinking 20 percent and make employees pay for school,,are you out of your damn mind,,the standard of living we as auto workers are used to would mean get two jobs plus the 20 percent just to survive,,when could you go to school how about 75 percent of take home plus you get your education money just like now and if you fuck up in school your on your own,,45 yrs huh,,how about a invert seniority layoff company wide,,let them get less money for being in gen next contract cut gen to the 75percent which would still protect us all from a huge huge layoff,and then they will say hey id make more retired then now so im out,that means all those jobs could then get filled by the non dead beats around the usa,,as for the 100k offer it to everyone and promise you people with 25 and up would jump on it,,last thing,,if you are in here with more then 35yrs you failed because you lived above your means,,dont let us fail like you,,stand behind your union or there is no union

 

hell no,,what the hell are you thinking 20 percent and make employees pay for school,,are you out of your damn mind,,the standard of living we as auto workers are used to would mean get two jobs plus the 20 percent just to survive,,when could you go to school how about 75 percent of take home plus you get your education money just like now and if you fuck up in school your on your own,,45 yrs huh,,how about a invert seniority layoff company wide,,let them get less money for being in gen next contract cut gen to the 75percent which would still protect us all from a huge huge layoff,and then they will say hey id make more retired then now so im out,that means all those jobs could then get filled by the non dead beats around the usa,,as for the 100k offer it to everyone and promise you people with 25 and up would jump on it,,last thing,,if you are in here with more then 35yrs you failed because you lived above your means,,dont let us fail like you,,stand behind your union or there is no union

i do agree they should be working instead of sitting on there ass,,but damn if they want to just sit then yes 20 is good for them because they are probly a deadbeat,,but the ones who are not should get the lets call it enhanced gen lol,,you cant take away moving expenses hell even walmart has that

[hendew_15]

:angry: I have tried hard not to get into this post, but I am sick of it. No wonder Mr. Ford and Mr. Fields think they can do what ever their little heart desires when it comes to cutting jobs and ignoring the contract, their is absolutely no United in this UAW. I understand not wanting to lose our jobs. But I wonder about those who brought up this topic what was your seniority say in 79 or into the early 80's? Did this kind of topic come up then, I don't think so. I know a lot of people who spent 8 or 9 years laid off while some of you people with less time then them got to go on. I don't like everything in the contract either. And I wish nobody had to be laid off, but this is not the solution. WAKE UP PEOPLE AND STOP LETTING THE COMPANY DO THIS TO US, STICK TOGETHER, GET BEHIND GETTELFINGER, HE'S ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW STOP AIRING YOUR DIRTY LAUNDRY HERE. We are showing our true colors here and their not Blue, their Yellow.

 

P.S. There is one more thing, we better be looking to God for some help.

I totally agree with you here!I also think that some of these buyout options that will be given in the near future will weed through some of the people only at ford to play the system and try harder to get out of work than actually work.I think especially at the plants due to close that most people who are a waste of space and playing the medical card are not going to sacrafice through a possible long layoff to stay with the company.I am talking mostly of the lower senority people on this,they will take that 100k and run not thinking of what they will do when that money is gone.

Myself am a 3rd generation Ford worker and take alot of pride in what I do,my family is willing to take a long layoff and possibly waiting for years to relocate.I think with this buyout this is some of the motivation of Ford to get the people willing to make a great sacrafice to keep there employment and get back to work one day and carry themselves with great pride and build a great product.

My grandfather told me the day I started at Ford that I need to show up on time do what I'm told do the best job I can and do it with pride and no one will ever be able to take that away from me.Don't get me wrong I bitch alot and don't agree with half the shit they want me to do but I do it anyhow and no matter what it is and no matter how bad I hate it I always do it with some sence of pride.Because believe it or not I actually give a fuck about this company what happens to and the future of it.

We need to quit this bullshit squabbling and find a way to help one another instead of making more riffs between us.

Now let's see some milky white breast you buncha hound dogs!!!!!!!!OOOOOWWWWHHEEEWWWWWWWW

[Imawhosure]

Hosh,

 

A point without facts or reasonable opinions to support it is a recipe for an arguement with those who would wish to keep the status quo.

 

But your point is well taken, and I will try harder to condense, lolol!

[captamrica]

,,last thing,,if you are in here with more then 35yrs you failed because you lived above your means,,dont let us fail like you,,stand behind your union or there is no union

 

 

Just because someone is still there after 35 years does not mean they lived beyond their means. I know a handful of guys who's wives decided that they wanted to leave after 25 or 30 years. By Missouri law that intitles them (wife) to half their pension and half of everything they spent their whole life working for. Many are stuck wanting to retire but can't.

 

Then there are some as you mentioned but lets not throw them all into one group and light a match. Everybody has different sitiations. We must try to stick together and help ALL our brothers and sisters in this time of need.

 

Even with my time in I could probably bump almost anywhere and finish out my time but I can't say as I would feel right about bumping someone out of a job. Filling an empty slot before hiring a new person is the best way to go. From what I have read from those who have transfered, many faced animosity and hate from many locals when they transfered. I know this is not always the case nor, when it happens, is it from all local employees. It should not happened at all. It's not like these people want to leave their home, family, and sometimes children behind.

[what-next]

WHERE ARE THE OPENING AT FORD PLANTS? LAST I THOUGHT THERE WHERE PEOPLE IN GEN. WHAT PLANT IS GOING TO HIRE INFUTURE?? LAST I THOUGHT THEY WERE CLOSING PLANTS. FORD NEEDS TO OFFER SYSTEM WIDE PACKAGES AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE TAKE THEM. I RELOCATED AND AFTER TAXES ONLY BROUGHT HOME 4,000. SO THIS BIG MONEY TO MOVE AIN'T AS GREAT AS PEOPLE THINK. THEY TAX EVERYTHING 42 PERCENT. AFTER MOVING AND GAS AND RENTAL I WAS IN THE WHOLE. I MOVED TO HAVE A JOB. MADE NO MONEY OUT OF IT. GOOD LUCK....

[butthead]

I have realized that there are different levels of union representation for different groups and I guess if your in the group that the union has written contracts in the past for you are ok and the one's who got a answer of I'm not sure I will have to check on it get screwed.

 

Case in point, A member who has a home plant other than the one that is closing, lets say 7 years gets to go back to there home plant and displaces a lower senority member and they get layed off to the street. But a 20yr. employee who's home plant closes gets laid off to the street with so called recall rights. so in one case its ok to dispalce a lower senority employee but not in the second case.

 

There are also situations that a employee is going to be able to pick there home plant while higher senority employee get laid off to the street. None of this makes sense to employee's who have been paying dues for 15 to 20 years longer than some people have been employeed by this company. Thats why we have a union so they cant walk us out the door like salery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This UNION is suppose to protect all of the members rights not some more than others, and what determines that is COMPANY then PLANT SENORITY. No one shoud fall through the cracks and have their union rep. smirk and say I'll check on it and get back to you.

 

IF SENORITY RIGHTS DIE SO DOES THIS UNION.

[Ranger_980]

I lost my job at Edison Assembly 2 years ago, fortunately at that time there were jobs to transfer to. They also offered (VTEP) seperation packages, and early retirement packages. The way the transfers worked was we got a list of facilities(I believe there were 12) and the number of open positions each had. We were asked to list them by preference(up to 5). Then they solicited by seniority till the positions were filled I wound up getting my second choice Sacramento Parts Distribution Center, I missed my first choice Hartford,Conn Parts by one person.(only 3500miles difference) They offered us 45k to take a transfer before the plant closed, after that if you took a transfer you got $27,500. They also mysteriously came up with more jobs in Conneticut, Norfolk, and Atlanta 30 days after the plant closed, I guess they wanted to save a few bucks! I hope this information helps as I would imagine any opening would be handled this way for the plans that are being closed. Also, there are people retiring all the time all over the country, so there will be openings coming up I'm sure. I know this is a scary time for all of you, I've been there! Your all in my thoughts and prayers!

[mulewright]

I have realized that there are different levels of union representation for different groups and I guess if your in the group that the union has written contracts in the past for you are ok and the one's who got a answer of I'm not sure I will have to check on it get screwed.

 

Case in point, A member who has a home plant other than the one that is closing, lets say 7 years gets to go back to there home plant and displaces a lower senority member and they get layed off to the street. But a 20yr. employee who's home plant closes gets laid off to the street with so called recall rights. so in one case its ok to dispalce a lower senority employee but not in the second case.

 

There are also situations that a employee is going to be able to pick there home plant while higher senority employee get laid off to the street. None of this makes sense to employee's who have been paying dues for 15 to 20 years longer than some people have been employeed by this company. Thats why we have a union so they cant walk us out the door like salery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This UNION is suppose to protect all of the members rights not some more than others, and what determines that is COMPANY then PLANT SENORITY. No one shoud fall through the cracks and have their union rep. smirk and say I'll check on it and get back to you.

 

IF SENORITY RIGHTS DIE SO DOES THIS UNION.

 

A lot of people don't realize that the situation for skilled trades has been much diferent than it has for production. We should all have one seniority date ... the date you hired into Fords... all the rest is BS designed to protect some while screwing others. The union should at least let you know how many are layed off and where you are on that list, why don't they?... well they say it's too hard to do... right! I think it's because it's too hard to play games if everything is out in the open.

[sailorjohn]

I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE, SO PLEASE READ AT LEAST THIS PART OF THIS POST---------------->We all know in 2007 the contract is due, and everyone on the outside looking in will also get to vote. If they aren't working again, or have little hope of returning, how do YOU think they will vote, especially since GEN is going to probably be a distant memory?

 

1.Do the lower seniority people want to stop their economic lives, and worry if system wide seniority is instituted in 2007? And it very well may be at the behest not of the union, but of Ford Motor itself, once they have MOST of the people who will be cut in place so as there will be few double moves.

 

I wouldn't worry about "system wide seniority". The union doesn't care who pays dues, 20 year employees pay as much as 2 year employees, and the company, if they had their way, would never agree to it. If they had their way, they'd lose all of their employees after about 5 years and start with a fresh batch of new hires. There's a hint there.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[RayBarone]

This UNION is suppose to protect all of the members rights not some more than others .............. No one shoud fall through the cracks and have their union rep. smirk and say I'll check on it and get back to you.

 

IF SENORITY RIGHTS DIE SO DOES THIS UNION.

 

The UAW was meant to serve all members. Today's UAW leaders do not want to serve. "THE UAW IS DEAD!"

[AdamCaan]

The UAW was meant to serve all members. Today's UAW leaders do not want to serve. "THE UAW IS DEAD!"

 

Sorry I missed the funeral, I bet it was a great celebration.

[Spring]

Sorry I missed the funeral, I bet it was a great celebration.

 

 

It was probably held in Las Vegas!

[Bored of Pisteon]

Just what does the U.A.W. ( U A W ) stand for?

 

Come up with some names for it with those letters and you'll find the truth!

[Sterling worker]

Just what does the U.A.W. ( U A W ) stand for?

 

Come up with some names for it with those letters and you'll find the truth!

 

 

U.A.W.

 

You arnt working

[Spring]

Under Attack Workers

[slapshot2]

Ugly ass warts?

[corky74]

Underfed Amazon Wookie!!!

 

CHEWBACCA RULZ!!

 

CHEWY!

[the prisoner]

u underneath a w woman uaw