NickF1011 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Wow two more fucking years? You sound like Blueblood. Feb '09 is barely over a year away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 You sound like Blueblood. Feb '09 is barely over a year away. Yeah I just did my math...lack of Food at lunch will do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 (edited) Toyota up 0.3% Honda up 4.7% Kia up 8.9% General Motors down 11% Nissan up 6% Edited December 3, 2007 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focus05 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The GM is mostly retail now with the CV being the fleet unit. Matthew No, the GM is the only retail seller of the Panthers, which is not the same as being mostly retail. As far as I remember, it is mostly fleet. It was 60% fleet before this massive sales swing. The CV was 90% fleet. Those 10% from the CV are not making the thousand+ unit swing in GM sales. My guess is that the GM is 70-80% fleet at this point, but I'd like to confirm that so that we get off this Panther fixation. Neither the Sable, Taurus nor Panthers are selling well, no matter which way we cut it. True, the Panthers are fulfilling a purpose - gov't/comm fleets - but the Taurus and Sable are profitable units, ultimately. Ford's entire large car strat is just in ruins. RWD and FWD doesn't really make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I would love to see a break out of retail numbers on the GM. I doubt it is outselling the Sable on a retail basis. The Panthers are all but dead at this point. Umm, Panther is dead? Crown Victoria 5,170 Grand Marquis 4,702 Town Car 488 TOTAL: 10,360 I think Ford would be more worried about their D3s not selling all that well: Taurus (New) 3,779 Five Hundred 116 Taurus X 2,608 Sable (New) 1,102 TOTAL: 7,605 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 What can I do to help Jaguar? Point out that the S types sales have dropped like a stone because it's just gone out of production and because stock has been sold off? Take the S type's sales out and it would appear that Jag should go into recovery mode shortly. XK is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Umm, Panther is dead? Crown Victoria 5,170 Grand Marquis 4,702 Town Car 488 TOTAL: 10,360 I think Ford would be more worried about their D3s not selling all that well: Taurus (New) 3,779 Five Hundred 116 Taurus X 2,608 Sable (New) 1,102 TOTAL: 7,605 I firmly believe the problem with the D3s is advertising. I've never seen a Sable or Taurus X commercial and the only Taurus commercial has been the "family safety" one. They're good vehicles but nobody knows about them. It's just plain baffling to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Point out that the S types sales have dropped like a stone because it's just gone out of production and because stock has been sold off? Take the S type's sales out and it would appear that Jag should go into recovery mode shortly. XK is up. Hey look...it's Don Quixote!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Where did those fleet numbers come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarShark Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 That's the half-year sales numbers I put up earlier this year, thinking that it was for Jan 07-June-07. Actually, it's from Oct 06-Mar 07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Point out that the S types sales have dropped like a stone because it's just gone out of production and because stock has been sold off? Take the S type's sales out and it would appear that Jag should go into recovery mode shortly. XK is up. You remind me of the Comical Ally the Iraqi T-Stag, XK sales fell in November. November 2007 2007 XK 313 Sales 2006 XK 324 Sales Your sale have dropped by a massive 11 customers. X Type sale are booming this November 270 to 298 up a massive 10.4% all down to the extra 28 customers that bought the X type tell that to Lincoln. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I firmly believe the problem with the D3s is advertising. I've never seen a Sable or Taurus X commercial and the only Taurus commercial has been the "family safety" one. They're good vehicles but nobody knows about them. It's just plain baffling to me. I have never seen a Panther commercial either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6-cylinder Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 You remind me of the Comical Ally the Iraqi T-Stag, XK sales fell in November. November 2007 2007 XK 313 Sales 2006 XK 324 Sales Your sale have dropped by a massive 11 customers. X Type sale are booming this November 270 to 298 up a massive 10.4% all down to the extra 28 customers that bought the X type tell that to Lincoln. I'm just wondering what happens when Jag sales get down to zero. Maybe if they sell one the month after they can report sales up 100 percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 (edited) I have never seen a Panther commercial either. I have but not recently. EDIT: Here ya go: Edited December 3, 2007 by TomServo92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'm just wondering what happens when Jag sales get down to zero. Maybe if they sell one the month after they can report sales up 100 percent. T-Stag would come with some lame duck story if it happened, Mr Jones in the trim shop got dandruff so they shut the line down for the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 The # of old timers still buying Grand Marqs is insignificant compared to the overall car market. Those who think Ford should force feed sales of them are nuts. Fusion up 39% {about time}, Focus up 18% {C1 what?}. And the Edge family too. Also, looks like the days of comparing #'s to the DN101 Taurus fleet dumping are finally over. Toyota blames the economy for their lower sales, what happened to them taking over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I have but not recently. EDIT: Here ya go: Now that is a commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Now that is a commercial. Did you enjoy a cigarette afterwards? :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 That's the half-year sales numbers I put up earlier this year, thinking that it was for Jan 07-June-07. Actually, it's from Oct 06-Mar 07. That's what I figured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Did you enjoy a cigarette afterwards? :shades: It wasn't that good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 (edited) NISSAN: Edge: 12,xxx sales Murano: 3,xxx sales YTD: Edge: 116,xxx Murano: 72,xxx Even though Murano is in its last model year - I think we can declare a winner. I predict the new Murano will not be able to reverse this hierarchy (we can revisit that in 12 months). On another note - the Rogue is up to a good start : 6,xxx sales in its first month (Escape and Rav4 are at 12,xxx a month, and CR-V at 16,xxx). also interesting to note - the Altima is only at 19,xxx units a month - that is not THAT much higher than the Fusion especially if we take Fusion+Milan (12,xxx+3,xxx=15,xxx) - I think if Ford does the MCE right, we are not far from Fusion, Malibu, and Altima duking it out for #3 every month. Overall Nissan: up 6.1% http://www.nissannews.com/?intcmp=Nissan_N...rporate_Info.P2 Igor Edited December 3, 2007 by igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 (edited) I call foul on the GM sales press release. They say that retail sales were up, then say that retail sales were up as a percentage of overall sales. Well, call me nuts but I don't think that 74% of 263,654 is more than 73% of 297,556. GM's retail sales were down 22,203 units, or 10%. Or, more to the point, their retail sales were down significantly more than Ford's. Question to me seems to be whether GM pulled sales ahead in September and October. Edited December 3, 2007 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 I call foul on the GM sales press release. They say that retail sales were up, then say that retail sales were up as a percentage of overall sales. Well, call me nuts but I don't think that 74% of 263,654 is more than 73% of 297,556. GM's retail sales were down 22,203 units, or 10%. Or, more to the point, their retail sales were down significantly more than Ford's. Question to me seems to be whether GM pulled sales ahead in September and October. I cracked the code: GM's retail car deliveries increased, based on the strength of the all-new Chevrolet Malibu, 2008 Cadillac CTS and fuel-efficient Chevrolet Aveo, Cobalt, Pontiac G5 and G6. Total retail deliveries were down 9.7 percent, largely due to reduced availability of 2007 models after a strong sell-down in September and October. Retail sales for the month, as a percentage of total sales, showed an increase of more than one percentage point (to 74 percent of total sales) compared with a year ago. Now it all makes sense - overall retail down 9.7% but it is now 74% of all sales (compared to 73% of all sales in 2006). Car retail sales were up though. :D Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManFord Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 (edited) Anyone know what the Highlander sales were? I want to see if they went up from last month, since they were rather low from what we were expecting... Oh and how come GM's sales aren't on its website...I want to see Malibu sales Edited December 3, 2007 by ManFord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 Anyone know what the Highlander sales were? I want to see if they went up from last month, since they were rather low from what we were expecting... Oh and how come GM's sales aren't on its website...I want to see Malibu sales November: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/12/03/072319.html Highlander at 12,xxx sales - but do not know how much they sold in October. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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