suv_guy_19 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Because the F-150 didn't get to where it is today because Ford was too scared to take a chance on something. And thats exactly what needs to be done to maintain market share. Yes, Ok, we should take your opinion over that of the company that has consistently done well in trucks....:rolleyes:. I'm sure Ford will come up with something that will perform its role very well and look good doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Yes, Ok, we should take your opinion over that of the company that has consistently done well in trucks....:rolleyes:. I'm sure Ford will come up with something that will perform its role very well and look good doing it. Well, all Ford has to do is look at its past. The Ranger was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and now they are killing it. The Taurus (the real one) was #1 for many, years..Ford didn't change much, and it is now dead. The Explorer was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and now it is a joke. The Escort was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and they had to replace it. But "history is bunk"...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Well, all Ford has to do is look at its past. The Ranger was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and now they are killing it. The Taurus (the real one) was #1 for many, years..Ford didn't change much, and it is now dead. The Explorer was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and now it is a joke. The Escort was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and they had to replace it. But "history is bunk"...right? Oh bullshit! Ford has constantly updated the F150 over the years. There is absolutely no way you can compare the neglect heaped upon the Ranger to a mid-cycle refresh for the F150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) Oh bullshit! Ford has constantly updated the F150 over the years. There is absolutely no way you can compare the neglect heaped upon the Ranger to a mid-cycle refresh for the F150. On top of that, the Explorer was changed, but people are moving away from the market. They also changed it to be ugly IMO. The Taurus is not a truck. Ditto Escort. Ford knows the F150 and what people want. Edited December 17, 2007 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regfootball Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ford likes to have a big showing at the chicago show. So i think its very possible we will see fusion news there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Well, all Ford has to do is look at its past. The Ranger was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and now they are killing it. The Taurus (the real one) was #1 for many, years..Ford didn't change much, and it is now dead. The Explorer was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and now it is a joke. The Escort was #1 for many years...Ford didn't change much, and they had to replace it. But "history is bunk"...right? You have to remember that the current F-150 is will only be 4-5 model years (depending on the way you look at it) old when it's replaced, which is very quick in the truck world. I'd say all new sheetmetal, new interior, engine upgrades/new engines (at launch/following launch), new options (tailgate step new post-cab bed step, integrated trailer brake system,....etc.) is a pretty significant upgrade for a 4-5 year old truck. That said, on the vehicles you listed above, Ford did drop the ball, but IMO, Ford won't let that happen w/ their bread-and-butter F-series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 On top of that, the Explorer was changed, but people are moving away from the market. They also changed it to be ugly IMO. The Taurus is not a truck. Ditto Escort. Ford knows the F150 and what people want. While what you said about Explorer being changed is true, Ford could've done more and can be doing more right now. Stylistically, I like the current Explorers, and we're stuck w/ it's design until the new unibody model arrives. Powertrain-wise, I think Ford needs to find a way to replace the Explorer's aging (and not very fuel efficient) V6. They should try to get the 3.5L in there. I suppose the new model isnt that far off though, so at this point, it'd be a waste of time, money, and effort to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 It needs at least a new interior (much improved), 3.5, and new font and rear that don't look so cheap (no more ricer taillights!!) just to stay competitive, if it goes on several more years with no changes than we just might as well forget about it, this segment is way too competitive to be complacent or mediocre, Ford needs to shoot for the top. Like Mark Fields said "do or die", with the latest rumors I'm starting to wonder if Ford is thinking about slitting it's wrists rather than putting up a fight, it all comes down to what happens over the next 1-24 months, they BETTER show up to Detroit swinging.. You just insulted everything I like about the Fusion, front fascia, rear skirt, interior, and taillights. Does anyone know what has happened to those pics of the 2009 Fusion, they looked nothing like the current design? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ford is keeping its cards close, but they did confirm the redesign of the triplets will be there for 2009 model. Maybe - JUST MAYBE - Ford found out that if they plan to start production in the Fall, they should not start talking about it in January - and give competition a model year changeover chance to respond. Ford refused to say WHERE will Fusion be revealed, but it and Milan and MKZ are coming this year. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Maybe - JUST MAYBE - Ford found out that if they plan to start production in the Fall, they should not start talking about it in January - and give competition a model year changeover chance to respond. Not to mention hold back on sales of the current Fusion. That's how everyone else does it, why not Ford too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hbalek Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Here they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Aren't those the pictures that people have referred to as "outdated sketches" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 What's "broke"? Everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Aren't those the pictures that people have referred to as "outdated sketches" only one person insists this is outdated and he insists this refresh was canceled and Ford is going straight for EUCD MkII .. because Mazda6 was also going to EUCD - but since Mazda6 is now proven to be on CD32 he was proven wrong, and I am still 90% positive this is it. and for purists of meaning, and people believing the 09 Corolla is all new - the 09 Fusion can be named all new as well - the platform was redesigned again (from "stretched Cd3 to Cd32) all new interior, and mostly new outside - just like the Corolla. But unlike Toyota, Ford will call this a refresh. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 only one person insists this is outdated and he insists this refresh was canceled and Ford is going straight for EUCD MkII .. because Mazda6 was also going to EUCD - but since Mazda6 is now proven to be on CD32 he was proven wrong, and I am still 90% positive this is it. and for purists of meaning, and people believing the 09 Corolla is all new - the 09 Fusion can be named all new as well - the platform was redesigned again (from "stretched Cd3 to Cd32) all new interior, and mostly new outside - just like the Corolla. But unlike Toyota, Ford will call this a refresh. Igor Good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 No matter what, it won't be 'good enough' for the various fiefdoms here. Not RWD/BOF, Not Euro, not American enough, not foreign enough, not not not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Everything. That is subjective and since you don't own one I would say that my opinion as a Fusion owner carries more weight. I love my car and have not had one mechanical failure, while I wish that there was currently a Turbo/supercharged option that is my only complaint. The interior/exterior is visually apealing and ergonomicly laid out for the occupants and driver. I see some of us that are not content with anything for long and trade vehicles often but that does not mean others who have not owned one yet have become weary of the current design. The Fusion is gaining a following, and additional options just like the SYNC/back-up cameras will raise it's sales volume. I'd like to see the ambeint lighting also available on the Fusion, I'm going to add it to mine soon along with LED underbody lights! Edited December 20, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joihan777 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 only one person insists this is outdated and he insists this refresh was canceled and Ford is going straight for EUCD MkII .. because Mazda6 was also going to EUCD - but since Mazda6 is now proven to be on CD32 he was proven wrong, and I am still 90% positive this is it. and for purists of meaning, and people believing the 09 Corolla is all new - the 09 Fusion can be named all new as well - the platform was redesigned again (from "stretched Cd3 to Cd32) all new interior, and mostly new outside - just like the Corolla. But unlike Toyota, Ford will call this a refresh. Igor Any idea if the structure will be made safer? Also, will there be a wagon option too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Everything. Really? Sales are up and build quality is being acknowledged across the board "" November car sales were 3 percent lower than a year ago, reflecting lower deliveries to fleet customers. Sales to individual retail customers were up reflecting higher sales for the company's new mid-size sedans (Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan and Lincoln MKZ). Fusion was up 66 percent, Milan was up 29 percent and MKZ was up 83 percent. These 2007 models feature standard side-air bags and available all-wheel drive."" Quality ""In CR's Annual Car Reliability Survey, the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan sedans scored slightly better than the Honda Accord V6 and Toyota Camry V6. The Lincoln Zephyr also did well, scoring second in predicted reliability to the Lexus ES350"" Not too bad for a vehicle that's broke....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Really? Yeah. Really. When they start selling a vehicle that can compete with the Accord or Camry, wake me up. :boring: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 That is subjective and since you don't own one I would say that my opinion as a Fusion owner carries more weight. I have driven 2 different Fusions, a Zephyr, and an MkZ. I had the Z for over a week. Nothing about any of those cars would impress me enough to buy them, thus my opinion counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I have driven 2 different Fusions, a Zephyr, and an MkZ. I had the Z for over a week. Nothing about any of those cars would impress me enough to buy them, thus my opinion counts. So we can take from that that we're going to hear about a Camry or Accord in your driveway in the next couple of weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 So we can take from that that we're going to hear about a Camry or Accord in your driveway in the next couple of weeks? Hell no. Why would I want to buy a foreign car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hell no. Why would I want to buy a foreign car? Malibu then? Or is that Canadian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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