P71_CrownVic Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Yeah, the piece of shit worst-in class minivan was renamed to sound almost identical to the brand-new segment creating vehicle. Brilliant! Consumers couldn't keep them apart. Journalists couldn't keep them apart. Hell, even auto writers, and plenty of the so-called "experts" HERE got them confused more often than not. The bad product clouded perception of the new one before the new one ever had a chance. Yeah, but people won't have issues keeping "Fiesta" and "Festiva" apart. Right. Who in their right mind ever wanted to be seen in a US Festiva? IIRC You're not from here. I can tell you virtually all of them were dead and buried and unseen within 5 years, until the new fuel price spike a few years ago made them resurrected accessories of necessity. Trust me, plenty of the people who could AFFORD the upcoming B-car remember the Festiva... and most of them would have chosen the Geo at that time. I do remember the US Fiesta, I had a friend who had one. The person who compared it to a go-kart wasn't far off the mark, it was a lot of fun for what it was. Unfortunately, I remember the super-thin doors and panels with exposed painted interior metal. Didn't leave a comforting impression. But then that was a car from 30 years ago so it's an apple to a modern orange. I'm not actually worried about that. You are right that the car SHOULD sell on merits regardless of name. Key word is "should". It might not though. Consumers are fickle. And you are absolutely delusional if the think the prevailing US sentiment of the name "Festiva" is favorable. Plus, rightly or wrongly there's also a lot of anti-hispanic sentiment in the country now so a car with a "Mexican" name would be seen as another attempt to sell out. I counter the Ford should avoid any and ALL potential negativity where they can, and the name was a freebie! Verve or even some stupid made-up word with no track record would have been better. The fact that we're (the forum) even having this discussion proves this is one more small stupid hurdle that a new Ford product didn't need to have to overcome. ^^^ THIS is the post of the day An extremely loyal following in Europe doesn't do a whole lot in America though.. ...As we have been told by the :cheerleader: over and over again. ---------- Out of curiosity...did changing bringing back the Rabbit name help or hurt VE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 They could get a Spanish theme going and call the Taurus the "Siesta"... you know, since it puts people to sleep? (Just kidding, I love the Taurus) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 I would question, how many of the younger demographics (younger than mine) which is what the Fiesta is targeted to, would remember what the Festive is? I myself, barely remember it and the vehicle I believe was phased out in 96...all I remember is that it shared things with Kia and it looked like a skate. I do believe that all those who are immigrating here (legally for that matter) would recognize the Fiesta name...particularly Europeans and S.Americans which they DO know what the vehicle is, and probably expect it to be the same. I had an aunt from Germany visit the U.S. and she saw OUR Fusion and was totally perplexed since their version is something different...I had to explain in detail, and what should have been a 2 minute explanation turned into 30 minutes of discussing each product and how OURS aren't the same as THEIRS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I think the use of the name Fiesta will be the biggest non-issue when the car comes to the market. Its just like the Ford Fusion being called the Futura...talk about an outdated name.... Yea, I liked the Futura name, was upset over the pep boys thing, but what did it really matter? I can't believe some people are bitching over the Fiesta name, besides, half the country is Mexican now So it should sell well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Yeah, the piece of shit worst-in class minivan was renamed to sound almost identical to the brand-new segment creating vehicle. Brilliant! Consumers couldn't keep them apart. Journalists couldn't keep them apart. Hell, even auto writers, and plenty of the so-called "experts" HERE got them confused more often than not. The bad product clouded perception of the new one before the new one ever had a chance. Jesus, do you even read what you're posting? You're comparing apples to oranges, the Windstar/freestar was the same exact car!!!! That's why it failed, the Festiva and Fiesta have nothing to do with one another, they share NOTHING, they look NOTHING alike. The Fiesta is so good it won't even matter, besides, the Festiva was loved by those who owned them. Yeah, but people won't have issues keeping "Fiesta" and "Festiva" apart. Right. Newsflash! Ford won;t be marketing this car to dumb blind people. That, looks NOTHING like THAT^^^ So get off it already... Who in their right mind ever wanted to be seen in a US Festiva? IIRC You're not from here. Who in their rightmind would want to be seen in a Prius, a Yaris, a Versa, or a Aveo?? And I'm from Ca dummy. I can tell you virtually all of them were dead and buried and unseen within 5 years, until the new fuel price spike a few years ago made them resurrected accessories of necessity. Trust me, plenty of the people who could AFFORD the upcoming B-car remember the Festiva... and most of them would have chosen the Geo at that time. Oh yes, you are God, you know everybody and what they all like.. I do remember the US Fiesta, I had a friend who had one. The person who compared it to a go-kart wasn't far off the mark, it was a lot of fun for what it was. Unfortunately, I remember the super-thin doors and panels with exposed painted interior metal. Didn't leave a comforting impression. But then that was a car from 30 years ago so it's an apple to a modern orange. I'm not actually worried about that. And nobody buys Civic's because they remember what crappy cars the ones sold 30 years ago were.. :rolleyes: You are right that the car SHOULD sell on merits regardless of name. Key word is "should". It might not though. Consumers are fickle. And you are absolutely delusional if the think the prevailing US sentiment of the name "Festiva" is favorable. That is nothing but your opinion, many people like the name Fiesta, nobody is forcing you to buy one. I think you just don't like it because it has a Hispanic sounding name. Plus, rightly or wrongly there's also a lot of anti-hispanic sentiment in the country now so a car with a "Mexican" name would be seen as another attempt to sell out. I counter the Ford should avoid any and ALL potential negativity where they can, and the name was a freebie! Verve or even some stupid made-up word with no track record would have been better. Did I nail it or what, you just lost all credibility... The fact that we're (the forum) even having this discussion proves this is one more small stupid hurdle that a new Ford product didn't need to have to overcome. No, it proves there are some real whiners here, nowhere else on the web have I seen this shit about the car, only here. The only issue people have with this car is whether ford will give us the hatch or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The MKTaurus has slightly more HP and a lot less torque..and my car sounds better and is correct wheel drive. But...you can have your "near luxury" car all you want...and enjoy higher running costs, maintenance costs, and repair costs. You haven't heard an MKS, so how can you say your car sounds better? The only witness account I've heard about the EcoBoost MKS said it sounded quite "throaty". A stock exhaust 4.6 2-valve hardly sounds intimidating on any level either. And how do you know what the running costs, maintenance costs, and repair costs will be on a car that isn't even out yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goingincirclez Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Jesus, do you even read what you're posting? You're comparing apples to oranges, the Windstar/freestar was the same exact car!!!! That's why it failed, the Festiva and Fiesta have nothing to do with one another, they share NOTHING, they look NOTHING alike.... (...psychobabble) Oh heavens, I've "lost all credibility" with someone who lacks reading comprehension, whatever shall I do. Nice try. I wasn't comparing the Freestar and Windstar, I was comparing the Freestar and FreeSTYLE. Thanks for proving my point if not dodging it altogether. Moron. Go back and reread my post. I don't have a problem with the name. But plenty of other people WILL. And that is STUPID but it is something Ford could have avoided altogether. You and I know what the Verve/Fiesta look like and don't give a shit what it's called. Hooray. But how many Joe Morons out there will overhear someone talking about a "Fiesta" and dismiss it offhand without bothering to find out what it looks like? Do you get all excited when someone talks about their new Suzuki Aero? Or Chevy Aveo? Chances are your past bias or preconceived notions cause you to dismiss it altogether without a moments' thought. And don't make this an issue of semantics... if not for those specific models, then surely another one. Everyone here is guilty of this. And by the way, if people "loved" their Festivas so much, they wouldn't have been just a flash in the pan during the last perceived fuel crisis, dumped for the Aspire which itself barely lasted 4 years - and Ford wouldn't have been caught with their pants down lacking a B car today. I may not be God, but you sir are delusional. Good Day my blessed moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT_MAN Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 It's always a good sign when your own staff thinks the names are poor ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 And by the way, if people "loved" their Festivas so much, they wouldn't have been just a flash in the pan during the last perceived fuel crisis, dumped for the Aspire which itself barely lasted 4 years - and Ford wouldn't have been caught with their pants down lacking a B car today. I may not be God, but you sir are delusional. Good Day my blessed moron. Seems like your the one with the reading problem... The Fiesta was replaced by the Escort in 1982... The Festiva came out in 1988, long after the Fuel crisis was done and over with and Gas was only about 1.25 gallon or so and the whole fuel economy thing went to the back burner The Aspire was an updated Festiva that came out in 1994..right in the middle of SUV craze and really cheap gas....I remember paying something like .67 or .78 cents a gallon for gas in January 1998. Not exactly a market for a cheap B-car that gets good gas mileage...plus where where the Japanese B cars at this time? None to be found, they didn't start coming to market till 2004 or so. Ford has been admitting that the lack of a B-car for the NA market was an issue ever since 2004...they where planning on bringing over the EcoSport from South America about 2 years ago, but it was Thankfully torpedoed by Fields before it got that far and we got on board with the Current Fiesta program with Europe. I'm glad we did since the new Fiesta will leapfrog everything sold here now with out any problems....even with its "stupid" name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 It's always a good sign when your own staff thinks the names are poor ... Who Pioneer? he has his own ax to grind with Ford, don't take everything at face value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goingincirclez Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Seems like your the one with the reading problem... The Fiesta was replaced by the Escort in 1982... The Festiva came out in 1988, long after the Fuel crisis was done and over with and Gas was only about 1.25 gallon or so and the whole fuel economy thing went to the back burner The Aspire was an updated Festiva that came out in 1994..right in the middle of SUV craze and really cheap gas....I remember paying something like .67 or .78 cents a gallon for gas in January 1998. Not exactly a market for a cheap B-car that gets good gas mileage...plus where where the Japanese B cars at this time? None to be found, they didn't start coming to market till 2004 or so. Au Contraire: The Festiva hit in the late 80's but as it happened this was just in time for the first Gulf War, with its tandem recession and "mini" fuel crisis, and that is when it finally took off. Remember it doesn't take much to get Americans to bitch about fuel prices. (remember how in 2000 the world was going to end because it was pushing $2.00/gal? Quaint). And fuel crisis or no... you are again proving my point. Given the choice between the Festiva / Aspire that people allegedly "loved" so much... Yeah, they chose the SUV. Oops. The Japanese B's were available because they never quit building and selling them in Japan, unlike the US. Over here, it took $3.00 gas to make them tolerable once more. As well as the Hey, look - an old Festiva reappears too! In the US B cars had always been crap that people never drove unless they HAD to. And that may well be changing. MHO is that sticking the "new guard" of modern B cars with a moniker from the "old guard" of crap was a dumb move. But really, I'm not losing any sleep over it. It's just a fascinating decision. And that's the last I will say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 They should have named it the Ford Attire to harken to the Ford Aspire! In any case, I'm sure we'll get by with the Fiesta name. And vexing about the f-naming scheme can't be applied here because the name is inherited and it's entirely conicidental that it happens to begin with F. Afterall, why bring back the Taurus name if they are so loyal to "F". I wouldnt' be surprised if the next gen Mondeo makes it to the US as the Mondeo instead of Fusion. There are no new model names in the works at Ford so we won't know what they have planned. Fortunately they are not replacing names, like the Explorer. As much as possible, I would like to see Ford retain existing brand names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The Ford Festivus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The Ford Festivus? Ford Festus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Ford Festus? How about Ford Fetus - in honour of that other thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 How about Ford Fetus - in honour of that other thread? I know, we could call it the Ford Flop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I know, we could call it the Ford Flop! They renamed that the Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Oh heavens, I've "lost all credibility" with someone who lacks reading comprehension, whatever shall I do. Nice try. I wasn't comparing the Freestar and Windstar, I was comparing the Freestar and FreeSTYLE. Thanks for proving my point if not dodging it altogether. Moron. Yes you have, you just like to complain and push your views down other peoples throats. I was thinking of the Windstar/Freestar duo, don't get too excited now. Your complaining and quickness to hurl insults just shows what an angry person you are. Go back and reread my post. I don't have a problem with the name. But plenty of other people WILL. Yea, because YOU say so, who do you think you are? Have you asked everybody in this country about this? Or did you pull it out of your ass? And that is STUPID but it is something Ford could have avoided altogether. And Ford is going to name cars based on what you approve of? I'm sure they did their research and came to the conclusion that only a few closed minded people out there won't buy the car because it has a "Mexican" sounding name. You and I know what the Verve/Fiesta look like and don't give a shit what it's called. Hooray. But how many Joe Morons out there will overhear someone talking about a "Fiesta" and dismiss it offhand without bothering to find out what it looks like? Just like they did to the El Camino and the Ranchero... Do you get all excited when someone talks about their new Suzuki Aero? Or Chevy Aveo? Chances are your past bias or preconceived notions cause you to dismiss it altogether without a moments' thought. And don't make this an issue of semantics... if not for those specific models, then surely another one. Everyone here is guilty of this. No, because they are both junk, I've driven an Aveo and it was no better than a 15 year old Geo. And by the way, if people "loved" their Festivas so much, they wouldn't have been just a flash in the pan during the last perceived fuel crisis, dumped for the Aspire which itself barely lasted 4 years - and Ford wouldn't have been caught with their pants down lacking a B car today. Those two cars were around when fuel prices were a dollar per gallon or less, and Ford stopped offering a B car, I'm gonna laugh at the naysayers when this car comes out. I may not be God, but you sir are delusional. Good Day my blessed moron. :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: The only thing that might hurt this car is the fact that it won't get here for over 2 years. People also get used to names, The Fusion sounded bad when it came out, now nobody even thinks about it's name, and the Fiesta isn't a bad name, when I've talked about the Euro Fiesta with people they all wish it was here already and they love the Euro version, nobody says anything about the name. I think most of our city names here in California are Hispanic, yet that doesn't stop people from moving to, and living in them, just like this name won't stop anybody from buying the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 They should have named it the Ford Attire to harken to the Ford Aspire! In any case, I'm sure we'll get by with the Fiesta name. And vexing about the f-naming scheme can't be applied here because the name is inherited and it's entirely conicidental that it happens to begin with F. Afterall, why bring back the Taurus name if they are so loyal to "F". I wouldnt' be surprised if the next gen Mondeo makes it to the US as the Mondeo instead of Fusion. There are no new model names in the works at Ford so we won't know what they have planned. Fortunately they are not replacing names, like the Explorer. As much as possible, I would like to see Ford retain existing brand names. It isn't hard to to de-badge a car if you hate the name so bad anyway, that little 3 door Fiesta looks so damn good they could call it the Fag and I'd still want one, of course, I'd probably pull the badge off the back of the car if they did, but I'd still want one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 And Ford is going to name cars based on what you approve of? I'm sure they did their research and came to the conclusion that only a few closed minded people out there won't buy the car because it has a "Mexican" sounding name. Thats a good point. Names are researched and market tested thoroughly before they are announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 You haven't heard an MKS, so how can you say your car sounds better? The only witness account I've heard about the EcoBoost MKS said it sounded quite "throaty". A stock exhaust 4.6 2-valve hardly sounds intimidating on any level either. It sounded alright in the Mustang. And how do you know what the running costs, maintenance costs, and repair costs will be on a car that isn't even out yet? Common sense. If Ford cannot get spark plugs right...how are they supposed to get twin turbos and DI right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 It sounded alright in the Mustang. Entirely different exhaust system. As I said, stock-exhaust . You wouldn't even know they had a V8 judging by how they sound. Common sense. If Ford cannot get spark plugs right...how are they supposed to get twin turbos and DI right? That's quite a leap in logic, even for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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