silvrsvt Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 The funny thing is, even the sunshine pumpers boasting of higher sales than expected of this car have to take a tone when describing what it looks like that is basically "actually, it doesn't look too bad, since it seems to have been styled by a bunch of blind retards wearing plaid pants and polka dot shirts." Well its better then its so fucking boring looking that it doesn't sell like the Ford 500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I think the new Focus looks fine. In some colors, I do not care for the side vent. In others, it looks great. I really like the blue. That said, every single one I have seen, has the vent. Thus, they are all high end models. This means better profitability for Ford. I believe the "S" model is the only one that doesn't have the vent, and like you, the only one's I've seen have had the vent...either an SE or SES. I also agree with you about the colors/vent combos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Well its better then its so fucking boring looking that it doesn't sell like the Ford 500 I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Put Europe in charge of small cars, people! What you do not understand is that there is no "Europe" or "North America" under Ford's new product development regime. The C2 Focus is being engineered in North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) You gotta love the Fusion's dummy buttons all over the dashboard The Malibu does have a remarkable attention to detail, even the dash box handle has a chrome bevel. I got to sit in my buddy's new Malibu and it rivals my Lincoln MKZ in overall design and refinement (if not features). It certainly obliterates the Fusion/Milan from every standpoint, but AWD is still mandatory IMO so I would not give the Malibu a look without that critical feature (I learned my lesson with the Milan loaner). I'm no longer sold on Fusion/Milan/MKZ quality so that's not a major factor from my perspective. Edited March 9, 2008 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 You gotta love the Fusion's dummy buttons all over the dashboard The Malibu does have a remarkable attention to detail, even the dash box handle has a chrome bevel. I got to sit in my buddy's new Malibu and it rivals my Lincoln MKZ in overall design and refinement (if not features). It certainly obliterates the Fusion/Milan from every every standpoint... Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) Thank you. Don't forget I pointed out the absence of AWD which I consider to be a deal breaker In any case, I am very enthusiastic about the Malibu after a first-hand encounter, the Fusion and Milan can't even come close to what I saw, it's remarkable they are in the same category of vehicle. If you are looking for a V6 Fusion, there's no reason you should buy it over the Malibu unless you need AWD and Navigation (I don't believe Malibu has Navigation yet?). Otherwise you have to be a real penny pincher to justify the Fusion over the Malibu. Edited March 9, 2008 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Don't forget I pointed out the absence of AWD which I consider to be a deal breaker For you, yes. But I think most people won't care...or, once they look at both cars as a whole, they will find that the Malibu is head and shoulders above the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 For you, yes. But I think most people won't care...or, once they look at both cars as a whole, they will find that the Malibu is head and shoulders above the Fusion. For many people the Malibu will look bland as well. They won't even get it a second glance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 For many people the Malibu will look bland as well. They won't even get it a second glance. Didn't I see in another thread 230,000 people looked at Malibu in December? Must have been an awful lot of "no thank you GM" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) For many people the Malibu will look bland as well. They won't even get it a second glance. It is a pretty sedate but sophisticated design. The Fusion has an expressive face but beyond that it's a fairly dull interchangeable package. It's a good design with nice proportions, but the coachwork of the car is glaringly cheap reletive to the Malibu/Accord/Camry etc. Sadly, this won't be addressed in 2010 since most of the body is carried over with it's soft creases, body panel gaps, and huge window filler strips. Edited March 9, 2008 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 It is a pretty sedate but sophisticated design. The Fusion has an expressive face but beyond that it's a fairly dull interchangeable package. It's a good design with nice proportions, but the coachwork of the car is glaringly cheap reletive to the Malibu/Accord/Camry etc. Sadly, this won't be addressed in 2010 since most of the body is carried over with it's soft creases, body panel gaps, and huge window filler strips. Again, many people don't see it that way. Your looking for problems where they don't exist. The Malibu is nice but dull. The Fusion has very good fit and finish. Thats why it wins appeal and initial quality awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Didn't I see in another thread 230,000 people looked at Malibu in December?Must have been an awful lot of "no thank you GM" But people are looking. And that is the first step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 body panel gaps, and huge window filler strips. Thats is one thing that was noted in one of the reviews I read. They said that the gap at the front of the hood is so bad, that from different angles, the hood looks unlatched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Again, many people don't see it that way. Your looking for problems where they don't exist. The Malibu is nice but dull. The Fusion has very good fit and finish. Thats why it wins appeal and initial quality awards. I own an MKZ, I don't know what more I can do to provide genuine feedback. These are impression of cars I drive everyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Because statistically speaking, what happened to you is more significant than what happens to everyone else, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Because statistically speaking, what happened to you is more significant than what happens to everyone else, right? It surely is NOT any less significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 It surely is NOT any less significant. After 15,000 miles, my Fusion has been flawless. I guess that's NOT any less significant either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 After 15,000 miles, my Fusion has been flawless. I guess that's NOT any less significant either. So...it's significant that your car has been flawless for 15K miles? Wow...who do I give the award to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) Because statistically speaking, what happened to you is more significant than what happens to everyone else, right? My feedback is anecdotal but you better believe I won't let stats rule out my experience. And my impression of the Milan/Fusion is more positive because of the 'value' factor. The MKZ on the other hand has been one big disappointment that I paid too much to put up with Edited March 9, 2008 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSFan00 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 What you do not understand is that there is no "Europe" or "North America" under Ford's new product development regime. The C2 Focus is being engineered in North America. That's a half-truth. A team somewhere is going to style the vehicle. The Verve/Fiesta/Mondeo/Ka weren't styled by the guy wearing a polyester leisure suit in charge of this Focus. It may be acceptable at it's present price point with folks clamoring to smaller cars, but Ford ain't building brand loyalty with this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 A team somewhere is going to style the vehicle. The Verve/Fiesta/Mondeo/Ka weren't styled by the guy wearing a polyester leisure suit in charge of this Focus. Hmm. "A team" will style the new Focus, but the current Focus was styled by some "guy". If I'm speaking half-truths, I'm surely not the only one. BTW, Focus retail sales are up, so styling must not be as bad as you assert.... Falling sales in growing market (Aztek) = death by bad styling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 My feedback is anecdotal but you better believe I won't let stats rule out my experience. And my impression of the Milan/Fusion is more positive because of the 'value' factor. The MKZ on the other hand has been one big disappointment that I paid too much to put up with http://www.edmunds.com/lincoln/mkz/2008/co...%7C4c7578757279 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 you better believe I won't let stats rule out my experience Then you, sir are as big a fool as I am, if not bigger. If I buy Fords =despite= their stats, I am a fool. If you refuse to buy Fords =despite= their stats you are a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 So...it's significant that your car has been flawless for 15K miles? Wow...who do I give the award to... Uh huh. If someone had said their transmission had died within 15,000 you'd be all over it like white trash at a Britney Spears family reunion. But if someone had no problems, it's downplayed and treated as a joke. You are such a moron it's indescribable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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