BORG Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) Is there really a market for something so completely useless? Although, if I were a GM fan, the bounty of choices has got to be heavenly right now. We're lucky to get an imported cargo van while GM gets a fleet of global products ranging the spectrum. http://jalopnik.com/366699/2010-pontiac-g8...-camino-is-back Edited March 16, 2008 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 i love the thing. Itll probably get milage right in line with my Ranger, but be alot faster, more stylish and i can still get an engine or two in the bed as long as the payload is over 1000 lbs. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
694doorbird Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Hate to say it, but that looks pretty good. I'd say it will be a big seller. If Pontiac made it, Ford would have to import the Falcon XR6 Ute from Australia. http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/ContentServ...4&c=DFYPage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Is there really a market for something so completely useless? Although, if I were a GM fan, the bounty of choices has got to be heavenly right now. We're lucky to get an imported cargo van while GM gets a fleet of global products ranging the spectrum. http://jalopnik.com/366699/2010-pontiac-g8...-camino-is-back You just answered your own retorical question. Yes, GM is reinventing a market - think sports car that doubles as light work truck. Ford has Falcon, Utility, Territory available but needing left drive versions. Well done Ford NA, you've failed to capitolise again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Is there really a market for something so completely useless? Although, if I were a GM fan, the bounty of choices has got to be heavenly right now. We're lucky to get an imported cargo van while GM gets a fleet of global products ranging the spectrum. http://jalopnik.com/366699/2010-pontiac-g8...-camino-is-back I can and can't see a market for this type of vehicle. I could see people buying it to have a sporty vehicle that can still be useful. I can't see people buying it because of limited capabilities, including seating space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) i love the thing. Itll probably get milage right in line with my Ranger, but be alot faster, more stylish and i can still get an engine or two in the bed as long as the payload is over 1000 lbs. I like it. I wouldn't count on that gas mileage, the SSR abortion a couple of years back got like 15/19 IIRC. Edited March 17, 2008 by Armada Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I would count on that gas mileage, the SSR abortion a couple of years back got like 15/19 IIRC. I would assume it would be close to the G8 in terms of milage. My Ranger gets between 20-22 depending on how much street use it gets, and the G8 should be about the same which is also rated at 17/24(?) like my Ranger is. I got 22.15mpg out of the Ranger's last tank average. Thats the best its done in a while. 404 miles out of 18.25 gallons. woot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I would assume it would be close to the G8 in terms of milage. My Ranger gets between 20-22 depending on how much street use it gets, and the G8 should be about the same which is also rated at 17/24(?) like my Ranger is. I got 22.15mpg out of the Ranger's last tank average. Thats the best its done in a while. 404 miles out of 18.25 gallons. woot! Yep, the Aussie experience is that sedan, ute and Monaro (GTO) are/were all about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Yep, the Aussie experience is that sedan, ute and Monaro (GTO) are/were all about the same. i like it..my 2nd favorite car of all time is the 70 el camino with ls6...trivia says not even the vette received that monster motor in 70...but the lowly el camino did...i like it and with gas prices where they are a car/truck makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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694doorbird Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I can and can't see a market for this type of vehicle. I could see people buying it to have a sporty vehicle that can still be useful. I can't see people buying it because of limited capabilities, including seating space. it just might be a good seller. There are quite a few G6's, G8's and old (70's and 80's) El Camino's running around the Tulsa area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 These things are hugely popular down under. They even sell 4dr versions of these (GM and Holden)! those are funny looking..but the 2dr's are pretty wicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 - think sports car that doubles as light work truck. that sounds like 50% of all half-ton sales. people that bitch and moan that the pickup doesn't accelerate like a Mustang and have a scratch-free, virgin truck bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 that sounds like 50% of all half-ton sales. people that bitch and moan that the pickup doesn't accelerate like a Mustang and have a scratch-free, virgin truck bed. Sounds like quite a sizeable chunk! Probably find G8 ute will sell for about $27K - about same as Mustang GT.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I dunno, I dont see this being a huge success, I think its going to bomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I dunno, I dont see this being a huge success, I think its going to bomb Success and bomb are relative terms, For Holden, a simple 10K to 15K/year for the Ute would be enough to justify development as it sells that many locally and is derived of a 100K/year platform anyway. Bear in mind the Ute is still 18 months away and the G8 sedan has just hit the showroom. No one knows what will happen in the next 12 months, by that time things could be recovering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The GTO of 2004-06 was supposed to be a 'good seller' too. The average truck buyer will not even bother looking at it, and the 'car guys' will stick to old iron. And "Mrs Car Guy" will say, "no" to two doors, no back seat, etc, etc, etc. So, more soft ute sales in suburbia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The GTO of 2004-06 was supposed to be a 'good seller' too. The average truck buyer will not even bother looking at it, and the 'car guys' will stick to old iron. And "Mrs Car Guy" will say, "no" to two doors, no back seat, etc, etc, etc. So, more soft ute sales in suburbia! I see Bill Osbourne is pushing for earlier Focus production in Australia and possibly also C1 based C-Max and Kuga. Gee, I hope we get those too. I had a look at C1 and C17 Focii in the car park the other day, C1 is a lot wider than the early C170 - about 5" more!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I see Bill Osbourne is pushing for earlier Focus production in Australia and possibly also C1 based C-Max and Kuga.Gee, I hope we get those too. I had a look at C1 and C17 Focii in the car park the other day, C1 is a lot wider than the early C170 - about 5" more!!! C17 is huge... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The average truck buyer will not even bother looking at it, and the 'car guys' will stick to old iron. And "Mrs Car Guy" will say, "no" to two doors, no back seat, etc, etc, etc. So, more soft ute sales in suburbia! It actually appeals to me as a car guy because its 'interesting'. Its priced right (if the estimates of undercutting the G8 by a hair are right), unlike the GTO or the Marauder which i both liked alot. They have enough power to be fun, and are useful enough for every day use. I only really have a 2 seater now, as the Ranger doesnt have jump seats in the back so thats fine for me too. I just hope theres enough storage behind the deats to hold something like a small duffel bag without cramping too much. I showed a friend of mine this link too, hes drooling over the G8 GXP. He has kids though. Im fine with the Ute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 it just might be a good seller. There are quite a few G6's, G8's and old (70's and 80's) El Camino's running around the Tulsa area. Are the G8's on sale yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Are the G8's on sale yet? yeah they are, there is an orange one parked outside of Sheehan Pontiac if you know what im talking about, its on US1 i saw it there yesterday, im waiting for my friend to comeback from vacation and then i want to go test drive it, hopefully they will let us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 It actually appeals to me as a car guy because its 'interesting'. Well thats the problem with it, I'll admit its interesting, but it just being a 2 seater will kill off most interest from your avg Car buyer...just look at what happened to two door SUV's in the 1990's...they where nearly all gone by the end of the decade. The car is Practical, yet very unpractical at the same time. I think the loss of any rear seating isn't off set by a having a bed in the back. If they can sell 10-15K of them of a year...you might consider it succesful, but otherwise I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchdevil Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I seen an orange-gold 1973 Ranchero for sale recently and it gave me a warm fuzzy. So I can understand the appeal. I don't see mass market appeal but rather a vey specific niche appeal for those few enthusiasts who crave the classic same models of old. I do remember someone chopped a Ranchero out of the new Mustang and I liked it. If Ford actually offered it I may have considered it over a Mustang coupe as it has an interesting appeal to me. Reality is that it is a fun concept but there is no real mass market business case. I found the old picture I took of a 1979 Thunderbird Ranchero that I took at a local auto show from several years ago. I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The GTO of 2004-06 was supposed to be a 'good seller' too. The average truck buyer will not even bother looking at it, and the 'car guys' will stick to old iron. And "Mrs Car Guy" will say, "no" to two doors, no back seat, etc, etc, etc. So, more soft ute sales in suburbia! I really believe that if it was sold under another name it would have done well. All the rednecks kept saying how it wasn't a "real" GTO and that sunk it. Even thought anyone that drove it was amazed at what it could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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